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From: Richard Borthwick <>
Subject: Re: "Matilda Regina" of Albon (was Re: Comtes d'Auvergne)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 00:16:23 -0700


At 11:10 AM 29/06/00 -0600, you wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what I was thinking about when I posted the "de Maine"
>> after the name of Eremburg, Litta says clearly "de Mortain". Of course,
>> you are absolutely right, there is no connection between Maine and Eu.
>
>OK, I did some more digging. Winkhaus gives Roger three wives - Judith,
>Eremburga of Evreux, and Adelheid of Savona. He makes Eremburga
>daughter of William of Evreux, and step-daughter of Robert of
>Grandmesnil. That sent me to the recent Decaëns article on the latter
>family. He names the daughter of William d'Evreux as Judith, and gives
>them only two daughters, Adelize (for whom no further information is
>given) and Mathilde, married to Raymond, Count of Toulouse, so there is
>some confusion here (I suspect the confusion was on the part of
>Winkhaus). Does anyone have the appropriate volume of ES handy?

ES II:206 (Hauteville) gives Roger I the same three wives. Judith is given
as the dau. of count William of Evreux (this also corresponds with the
affiliation given in II:79(Normandy)) and her marriage took place in 1061
and she died in 1076. In about 1077 Roger m. Eremburge (who died ? 1087). I
think ES II:206 muddles the affiliation by confusing Robert count of Eu
(d.1089/93) [see III/4:693 (Eu)] and Robert count of Mortain (d.?1091)[see
694B (Family of Odo of Bayeux)]. Eremburge is given as dau. of Robert of Eu
by his first wife, Beatrice (d.?1085), in III/4:693. Robert of Eu's 2nd
wife (same reference) is given as Mathilde (b.>1062 d.<1094) dau. of count
Roger I of Sicily (no mother mentioned, though II:206 says it is Judith of
Evreux). II:206 gives both Mathilde's marriages - first to Robert (who
divorced her) and then to Raymond of St Gilles count of Toulouse [see also
III/4:764 (Toulouse)].

ES II:206 gives as Roger I's 3rd wife whom he married in about 1087
Adelaide (d.1118) dau. of margrave Manfred of Savona [see also F Cognasso
"Ricerche sulla origini aleramiche" in *Accademia della Scienze di Torino.
Atti* 92 (2) (1957) 56-57, 61; F Cognasso *Il Piemonte nell'eta sveva*
(Torino, 1968) Tav.III]

>Turning to the article which first brought this alternative to my
>attention, Charles Evans, in "The Hautville Ancestry" (TAG 52:23-6)
>cites the work of Count W. H. Rüdt de Collenberg "Maximilla et Mathildae
>reginae" (1969) (anyone know if this is a monograph or if he didn't give
>the whole cite?). This source is said to relate ". . . that Roger of
>Sicily, by his third marriage in 1089 to Adelaide del Vasto-Saluzzo, had
>a daughter Matilda, who married first Conrad, King of Italy (1074-1101),
>and secondly Guigues, Count of Albon (d. 1125)." This seems to conflict
>with your source, which makes her daughter of the second wife. I note,
>however, that Isenburg places her marriage to Conrad in 1095, when she
>would be no more than six were she born after the 1089 marriage to
>Adelaide. (But then if she caused Eremburg's death, she wouldn't have
>been much older. Winkhaus, while showing her as daughter of Eadgar,
>places her birth in 1080, and her marriage to Guigues 1097/8, with a son
>in 1098, so the 1089 date seems wrong, but Winkhaus could be off.)

>taf

ES I.1:12 (Salians) gives Konrad (d.1101) a wife, Costanza, whom he m. in
1095 and who is affiliated to count Roger I of Sicily, but no mother is
specified. In II:206 her mother is given as Eremburge of Eu. Costanza is
given no other marriage in either reference.

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