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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Royal Descent of Americans
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:38:07 +0100
Hmmmmmm. I see you still can't find that shift key.
1. I never withhold genealogical information, even from someone who has
treated me very badly. To do so is puerile and petty. Many others read
the post, so I may be helping them too. Yes, Gordon has shown before
that he can be puerile and petty. His emotional age is about 6 ---- so,
I'm not surprised.
2. However, there may be another -- or an additional -- explanation.
Colonel John Washington may not be a descendant of Edward III, as Gordon
told us, but only of Edward I. Yes, John Steele Gordon may have screwed
the pooch again. We'll see. I told y'all that he was helpless without
his tutors, editors and handholders.
3. Now, if he did screw the pooch and misread Faris II, or just tried
to do it "from memory" ---- a sieve to be sure ---- he may well not want
to admit it, particularly to me. We'll see.
George Washington is a descendant of Edward III, through Colonel George
Reade [George's 2nd Great-Granddaddy] and Mildred Warner [George's
paternal Grandmother]. But that doesn't make Colonel John Washington
[George's Great-Granddaddy] a descendant of Edward III, unless he has a
line of descent of his own.
4. Will Gordon emerge from the shadows of his foxhole in Westchester
County and clear things up? I wouldn't bet on it. Maybe yes, maybe no.
Maybe rain, maybe snow. He may just hunker down and hope everyone
forgets about this one. We've often seen him try to do that before.
5. You certainly have a sour attitude. Many people here have tried to
help you, myself included. But you seem far too blunt and obtuse to see
that. I seem to be the only one who is still talking to you in the
newsgroup. I get the impression from your angry whining that people are
not helping you in e-mail. Is that the case?
6. You said you were going to post a series of messages. What happened
to that commitment?
7. I told you to do your homework and post one question at a time. You
ignored my advice and sent us a long, disorganized screed, poorly
written, unedited and absolutely incomprehensible in many parts. You
threw the kitchen sink at us. People are ignoring you because you've
proven to be a colossal pain in the derriere. Your mind seems to
function like a chicken coop that hasn't been cleaned out in four or
8. I asked us to tell us who your Gateway Ancestor is, whose lines you
are trying to trace back to the Greys. You ignored that too. If you
don't know, you should say so. Work the genealogy from your end. We
generally get in the game here about 1600 ---- but there are exceptions.
You don't seem to have gotten anywhere near 1600.
I've about come to the conclusion that I'm just wasting my time on you.
I appear to be quite slow --- or maybe it's just Christian kindness and
patience ---- because others saw through you early-on and dropped you
like a hot potato.
We're smart, knowledgeable, competent, busy people here. We all have
families to support, or books to read and write, or careers to manage,
or loved ones to spend time with ---- or all the above.
We don't have either the time, the disposition or the inclination to
play games with a woman who shows less discipline, intelligence and
focus than a two-year-old child ---- and who makes angry,
unsubstantiated scurrilous charges against us.
So, make up your mind. Get focused, start to fly right ---- or take
your whining, your complaining and your unfocused emotional charges,
sans any legitimacy, to some other venue.
People have given you very good genealogical advice, gratis ---- and you
spurn it. It's no wonder that they have gone silent.
Exitus Acta Probat [President George Washington's personal motto].
Fortem Posce Animum.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
"Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
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"Roz Griston" <> wrote in message
| what are you whining about hines. jsg is just playing the game some of
| you play so well here..insult, bullying, jump down one another's
| throats..and then withhold information..cause i don't like what you
| said. how immature.
| perhaps its [sic] time a few of the entrenched ones grew up, put aside
| need to run from under the porch and chew the leg off the messenger.
| in the short time i've been with the list, i have seen postings saying
| it can't be..no way..and then one lone posting will pop up to stifle
| the ignorant clamour. one that disproves all the ignorant gut reaction
| shoot off your mouth claptrap.
| i have seen you all claim that all the resource books are faulty to
| degree or another. i see on line ged-coms used to substaniate [sic]
| looks like vicious hypocracy [sic] is the name of the game, not
| research or assistance. anyone can criticise.
| the informed offer constructive criticism..not suppositions and
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [SMTP:]
| Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:20 PM
| Subject: Re: Royal Descent of Americans
| Lieutenant Colonel Nathaniel Pope's father is reportedly Thomas Pope.
| Someone who has Faris II at hand, could you please respond to this
| question? JSG appears to be ignoring it.
| Thank you.
| Is Colonel John Washington shown as descended from Edward III through
| his Father, The Reverend Lawrence Washington, Oxon. A.B. 1623, or his
| Mother, Amphyllis Twigden?
| D. Spencer Hines
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| "Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur. Odi profanum vulgus et arceo."
| Quintus Aurelius Stultus [33 B.C. - 42 A.D.]
| All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you.
| All original material contained herein is copyright and property of
| author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
| attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
| given, in writing.
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