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From: Renia <>
Subject: Re: Fw: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:31:45 +0100


Leo van de Pas wrote:

> Perhaps I am callous but when reading about such executions I read it as
> information. If you visualise the horrendous things inflicted on people, you
> would not want to read any further and, as a result, you might as well give
> up genealogy.
>
> In the Complete Peerage,Volume VIII page 441, they give a description which,
> to me is a bit vague (thank goodness).
>
> "He died 29 November1330, being drawn to execution like a felon and hanged
> at the Elms, Tyburn. His body was left on the gallows two days and two
> nights. He was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars at Shrewsbury."
>
> The question I would ask (but don't answer) is, what do they mean by "being
> drawn to execution". If drawn means what I think it does, there was not much
> left of him to hang.

Disembowelled while still alive and hanging.

Renia

>
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
> Perth, Western Australia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: D. Spencer Hines <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
>
> > Perhaps some kind Brit will tell us what the penalty for someone
> > convicted of treason in England in 1330 was.
> > --
> >
> > D. Spencer Hines
> >
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> >
> > "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> > This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
> > itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> > [c.1258-1264]
> >
> > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> >
> > All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the
> > author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
> > attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
> > given, in writing.
> >
> > Vires et Honor.
> >
> > "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > | Actually, Roger de Mortimer, Earl of March reportedly suffered a much
> > | more miserable and gruesome death than just a simple hanging.
> > |
> > | It's too spicy for mixed company. Pace.
> > | --
> > |
> > | D. Spencer Hines
> > |
> > | Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > |
> > | "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> > | This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end
> > beyond
> > | itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> > | [c.1258-1264]
> > |
> > | All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> > |
> > | All original material contained herein is copyright and property of
> > the
> > | author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with
> > an
> > | attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
> > | given, in writing.
> > |
> > | Vires et Honor.
> > |
> > | "John Steele Gordon" <> wrote in message
> > | news:...
> > |
> > | | malinda jones wrote:
> > | |
> > | | > What kind of miserable death did Roger Mortimer have ?
> > | | >
> > | | > (I remember Edward II all too well...no need to go into that on
> > my
> > | account)
> > | | >
> > | | > malinda
> > | |
> > | | Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March, was hanged at Tyburn on November
> > | | 29th, 1330. His death, I suppose, was a disgraceful one, being
> > hanged
> > | | instead of beheaded, but it was not particularly miserable, at least
> > | by
> > | | the standards of an age that could be very creative indeed when it
> > | came
> > | | to devising miserable deaths.
> > | |
> > | | The Oxford Companion to British History says of Roger Mortimer, He
> > | "had
> > | | no reservations in displaying his power, wealth, and position. This
> > | | regime [he and his lover, Queen Isabella, ran the country after
> > Edward
> > | | II's overthrow] proved to be as corrupt and incompetent as that of
> > the
> > | | Despensers which it succeeded, . . ."
> > | |
> > | | Through his son Edmund and his daughter Katherine, he is ancestral
> > to
> > | | many, many people living today.
> > | |
> > | | Whether Edward II actually suffered *his* miserable death, of
> > course,
> > | is
> > | | a question that in all likelihood will never be known for sure.
> > | |
> > | | JSG
> > | | --
> > | | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jsggenealogy/Jsgordon
> >
> >
> >

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