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From: Renia <>
Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:38:08 +0100


Colin Bevan wrote:

> This is not the same as being hung, drawn and quartered which is the penalty
> for treason(not abolished until 1821).
>
> Curiously, the ignominy of Mortimer's fate was that he was hung as a felon
> i.e. common criminal. To my mind it was a far more merciful death.

I read that he was hung and drawn.

Renia

> For graphic details of being hung, drawn and quartered see
> www.strum.co.uk/twilight/hdq.htm
>
> Cheers
>
> Rosie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 3:02 PM
> Subject: Fw: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
>
> > Perhaps I am callous but when reading about such executions I read it as
> > information. If you visualise the horrendous things inflicted on people,
> you
> > would not want to read any further and, as a result, you might as well
> give
> > up genealogy.
> >
> >
> > In the Complete Peerage,Volume VIII page 441, they give a description
> which,
> > to me is a bit vague (thank goodness).
> >
> > "He died 29 November1330, being drawn to execution like a felon and hanged
> > at the Elms, Tyburn. His body was left on the gallows two days and two
> > nights. He was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars at Shrewsbury."
> >
> > The question I would ask (but don't answer) is, what do they mean by
> "being
> > drawn to execution". If drawn means what I think it does, there was not
> much
> > left of him to hang.
> > Best wishes
> > Leo van de Pas
> > Perth, Western Australia
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: D. Spencer Hines <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps some kind Brit will tell us what the penalty for someone
> > > convicted of treason in England in 1330 was.
> > > --
> > >
> > > D. Spencer Hines
> > >
> > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > >
> > > "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> > > This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
> > > itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> > > [c.1258-1264]
> > >
> > > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> > >
> > > All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the
> > > author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
> > > attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
> > > given, in writing.
> > >
> > > Vires et Honor.
> > >
> > > "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > > | Actually, Roger de Mortimer, Earl of March reportedly suffered a much
> > > | more miserable and gruesome death than just a simple hanging.
> > > |
> > > | It's too spicy for mixed company. Pace.
> > > | --
> > > |
> > > | D. Spencer Hines
> > > |
> > > | Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > > |
> > > | "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> > > | This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end
> > > beyond
> > > | itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> > > | [c.1258-1264]
> > > |
> > > | All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> > > |
> > > | All original material contained herein is copyright and property of
> > > the
> > > | author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with
> > > an
> > > | attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
> > > | given, in writing.
> > > |
> > > | Vires et Honor.
> > > |
> > > | "John Steele Gordon" <> wrote in message
> > > | news:...
> > > |
> > > | | malinda jones wrote:
> > > | |
> > > | | > What kind of miserable death did Roger Mortimer have ?
> > > | | >
> > > | | > (I remember Edward II all too well...no need to go into that on
> > > my
> > > | account)
> > > | | >
> > > | | > malinda
> > > | |
> > > | | Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March, was hanged at Tyburn on November
> > > | | 29th, 1330. His death, I suppose, was a disgraceful one, being
> > > hanged
> > > | | instead of beheaded, but it was not particularly miserable, at least
> > > | by
> > > | | the standards of an age that could be very creative indeed when it
> > > | came
> > > | | to devising miserable deaths.
> > > | |
> > > | | The Oxford Companion to British History says of Roger Mortimer, He
> > > | "had
> > > | | no reservations in displaying his power, wealth, and position. This
> > > | | regime [he and his lover, Queen Isabella, ran the country after
> > > Edward
> > > | | II's overthrow] proved to be as corrupt and incompetent as that of
> > > the
> > > | | Despensers which it succeeded, . . ."
> > > | |
> > > | | Through his son Edmund and his daughter Katherine, he is ancestral
> > > to
> > > | | many, many people living today.
> > > | |
> > > | | Whether Edward II actually suffered *his* miserable death, of
> > > course,
> > > | is
> > > | | a question that in all likelihood will never be known for sure.
> > > | |
> > > | | JSG
> > > | | --
> > > | | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jsggenealogy/Jsgordon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >

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