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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:17:46 +0100


No, it's "hanged, drawn and quartered" ---- not 'hung'.
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
[c.1258-1264]

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Vires et Honor.

"Renia" <> wrote in message
news:...

| Colin Bevan wrote:
|
| > This is not the same as being hung, drawn and quartered which is the
penalty
| > for treason(not abolished until 1821).
| >
| > Curiously, the ignominy of Mortimer's fate was that he was hung as a
felon
| > i.e. common criminal. To my mind it was a far more merciful death.
|
| I read that he was hung and drawn.
|
| Renia
|
| > For graphic details of being hung, drawn and quartered see
| > www.strum.co.uk/twilight/hdq.htm
| >
| > Cheers
| >
| > Rosie
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
| > To: <>
| > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 3:02 PM
| > Subject: Fw: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
| >
| > > Perhaps I am callous but when reading about such executions I read
it as
| > > information. If you visualise the horrendous things inflicted on
people,
| > you
| > > would not want to read any further and, as a result, you might as
well
| > give
| > > up genealogy.
| > >
| > >
| > > In the Complete Peerage,Volume VIII page 441, they give a
description
| > which,
| > > to me is a bit vague (thank goodness).
| > >
| > > "He died 29 November1330, being drawn to execution like a felon
and hanged
| > > at the Elms, Tyburn. His body was left on the gallows two days and
two
| > > nights. He was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars at
Shrewsbury."
| > >
| > > The question I would ask (but don't answer) is, what do they mean
by
| > "being
| > > drawn to execution". If drawn means what I think it does, there
was not
| > much
| > > left of him to hang.
| > > Best wishes
| > > Leo van de Pas
| > > Perth, Western Australia
| > >
| > >
| > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > From: D. Spencer Hines <>
| > > To: <>
| > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:36 AM
| > > Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
| > >
| > >
| > > > Perhaps some kind Brit will tell us what the penalty for someone
| > > > convicted of treason in England in 1330 was.
| > > > --
| > > >
| > > > D. Spencer Hines
| > > >
| > > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| > > >
| > > > "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
truth....
| > > > This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end
beyond
| > > > itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
Gentiles"
| > > > [c.1258-1264]
| > > >
| > > > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
| > > >
| > > > All original material contained herein is copyright and property
of the
| > > > author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and
with an
| > > > attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise
expressly
| > > > given, in writing.
| > > >
| > > > Vires et Honor.
| > > >
| > > > "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in
message
| > > > news:...
| > > > | Actually, Roger de Mortimer, Earl of March reportedly suffered
a much
| > > > | more miserable and gruesome death than just a simple hanging.
| > > > |
| > > > | It's too spicy for mixed company. Pace.
| > > > | --
| > > > |
| > > > | D. Spencer Hines
| > > > |
| > > > | Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| > > > |
| > > > | "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
truth....
| > > > | This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other
end
| > > > beyond
| > > > | itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
Gentiles"
| > > > | [c.1258-1264]
| > > > |
| > > > | All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
| > > > |
| > > > | All original material contained herein is copyright and
property of
| > > > the
| > > > | author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum
and with
| > > > an
| > > > | attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise
expressly
| > > > | given, in writing.
| > > > |
| > > > | Vires et Honor.
| > > > |
| > > > | "John Steele Gordon" <> wrote in
message
| > > > | news:...
| > > > |
| > > > | | malinda jones wrote:
| > > > | |
| > > > | | > What kind of miserable death did Roger Mortimer have ?
| > > > | | >
| > > > | | > (I remember Edward II all too well...no need to go into
that on
| > > > my
| > > > | account)
| > > > | | >
| > > > | | > malinda
| > > > | |
| > > > | | Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March, was hanged at Tyburn on
November
| > > > | | 29th, 1330. His death, I suppose, was a disgraceful one,
being
| > > > hanged
| > > > | | instead of beheaded, but it was not particularly miserable,
at least
| > > > | by
| > > > | | the standards of an age that could be very creative indeed
when it
| > > > | came
| > > > | | to devising miserable deaths.
| > > > | |
| > > > | | The Oxford Companion to British History says of Roger
Mortimer, He
| > > > | "had
| > > > | | no reservations in displaying his power, wealth, and
position. This
| > > > | | regime [he and his lover, Queen Isabella, ran the country
after
| > > > Edward
| > > > | | II's overthrow] proved to be as corrupt and incompetent as
that of
| > > > the
| > > > | | Despensers which it succeeded, . . ."
| > > > | |
| > > > | | Through his son Edmund and his daughter Katherine, he is
ancestral
| > > > to
| > > > | | many, many people living today.
| > > > | |
| > > > | | Whether Edward II actually suffered *his* miserable death,
of
| > > > course,
| > > > | is
| > > > | | a question that in all likelihood will never be known for
sure.
| > > > | |
| > > > | | JSG

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