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From: Renia <>
Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:15:39 +0100
You're probably right, but we Brits, in our fascination with this gruesome
subject, in the common parlance, say "hung, drawn and quartered." Ignorant
nation, this, having to be taught our language by foreigners. :-)
Renia
Renia
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:
> No, it's "hanged, drawn and quartered" ---- not 'hung'.
> --
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of truth....
> This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end beyond
> itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra Gentiles"
> [c.1258-1264]
>
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>
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>
> Vires et Honor.
>
> "Renia" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
> | Colin Bevan wrote:
> |
> | > This is not the same as being hung, drawn and quartered which is the
> penalty
> | > for treason(not abolished until 1821).
> | >
> | > Curiously, the ignominy of Mortimer's fate was that he was hung as a
> felon
> | > i.e. common criminal. To my mind it was a far more merciful death.
> |
> | I read that he was hung and drawn.
> |
> | Renia
> |
> | > For graphic details of being hung, drawn and quartered see
> | > www.strum.co.uk/twilight/hdq.htm
> | >
> | > Cheers
> | >
> | > Rosie
> | > ----- Original Message -----
> | > From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
> | > To: <>
> | > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 3:02 PM
> | > Subject: Fw: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
> | >
> | > > Perhaps I am callous but when reading about such executions I read
> it as
> | > > information. If you visualise the horrendous things inflicted on
> people,
> | > you
> | > > would not want to read any further and, as a result, you might as
> well
> | > give
> | > > up genealogy.
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > In the Complete Peerage,Volume VIII page 441, they give a
> description
> | > which,
> | > > to me is a bit vague (thank goodness).
> | > >
> | > > "He died 29 November1330, being drawn to execution like a felon
> and hanged
> | > > at the Elms, Tyburn. His body was left on the gallows two days and
> two
> | > > nights. He was buried in the Church of the Grey Friars at
> Shrewsbury."
> | > >
> | > > The question I would ask (but don't answer) is, what do they mean
> by
> | > "being
> | > > drawn to execution". If drawn means what I think it does, there
> was not
> | > much
> | > > left of him to hang.
> | > > Best wishes
> | > > Leo van de Pas
> | > > Perth, Western Australia
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > ----- Original Message -----
> | > > From: D. Spencer Hines <>
> | > > To: <>
> | > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 10:36 AM
> | > > Subject: Re: Children of Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > > Perhaps some kind Brit will tell us what the penalty for someone
> | > > > convicted of treason in England in 1330 was.
> | > > > --
> | > > >
> | > > > D. Spencer Hines
> | > > >
> | > > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> | > > >
> | > > > "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
> truth....
> | > > > This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other end
> beyond
> | > > > itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
> Gentiles"
> | > > > [c.1258-1264]
> | > > >
> | > > > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> | > > >
> | > > > All original material contained herein is copyright and property
> of the
> | > > > author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and
> with an
> | > > > attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise
> expressly
> | > > > given, in writing.
> | > > >
> | > > > Vires et Honor.
> | > > >
> | > > > "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in
> message
> | > > > news:...
> | > > > | Actually, Roger de Mortimer, Earl of March reportedly suffered
> a much
> | > > > | more miserable and gruesome death than just a simple hanging.
> | > > > |
> | > > > | It's too spicy for mixed company. Pace.
> | > > > | --
> | > > > |
> | > > > | D. Spencer Hines
> | > > > |
> | > > > | Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> | > > > |
> | > > > | "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
> truth....
> | > > > | This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other
> end
> | > > > beyond
> | > > > | itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
> Gentiles"
> | > > > | [c.1258-1264]
> | > > > |
> | > > > | All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
> | > > > |
> | > > > | All original material contained herein is copyright and
> property of
> | > > > the
> | > > > | author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum
> and with
> | > > > an
> | > > > | attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise
> expressly
> | > > > | given, in writing.
> | > > > |
> | > > > | Vires et Honor.
> | > > > |
> | > > > | "John Steele Gordon" <> wrote in
> message
> | > > > | news:...
> | > > > |
> | > > > | | malinda jones wrote:
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | > What kind of miserable death did Roger Mortimer have ?
> | > > > | | >
> | > > > | | > (I remember Edward II all too well...no need to go into
> that on
> | > > > my
> | > > > | account)
> | > > > | | >
> | > > > | | > malinda
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | Roger Mortimer, 1st Earl of March, was hanged at Tyburn on
> November
> | > > > | | 29th, 1330. His death, I suppose, was a disgraceful one,
> being
> | > > > hanged
> | > > > | | instead of beheaded, but it was not particularly miserable,
> at least
> | > > > | by
> | > > > | | the standards of an age that could be very creative indeed
> when it
> | > > > | came
> | > > > | | to devising miserable deaths.
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | The Oxford Companion to British History says of Roger
> Mortimer, He
> | > > > | "had
> | > > > | | no reservations in displaying his power, wealth, and
> position. This
> | > > > | | regime [he and his lover, Queen Isabella, ran the country
> after
> | > > > Edward
> | > > > | | II's overthrow] proved to be as corrupt and incompetent as
> that of
> | > > > the
> | > > > | | Despensers which it succeeded, . . ."
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | Through his son Edmund and his daughter Katherine, he is
> ancestral
> | > > > to
> | > > > | | many, many people living today.
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | Whether Edward II actually suffered *his* miserable death,
> of
> | > > > course,
> | > > > | is
> | > > > | | a question that in all likelihood will never be known for
> sure.
> | > > > | |
> | > > > | | JSG
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