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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Roger Mortimer's Children
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:48:03 +0100


Interesting, Leo.

So, I take it you still have Roger de Mortimer and his wife, Joan de
Geneville, as having 12 children.
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D. Spencer Hines

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"Leo van de Pas" <> wrote in message
news:000201bffdea$e400de60$...
| Dear Cris,
| Many thanks for your remarks, it is always good double-checking
things. I
| think, as with most, you work on a family tree and there are not many
who
| have a chance to have their work checked, and for that I am grateful.
| I think it is an important function of this group to correct
| errors displayed. In the past I had tested my two positive lines from
the
| Merovingians to later families and via those to the present. I was
grateful
| when the errors were pointed out and both lines were wrong.
|
| Lets start with Roger who died in 1282 and should be the father of the
| Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
|
| Edmund married in 1316 Elizabeth Badlesmere, and was born in 1305 or
1306,
| see CP IX page 284. This must leave out that Roger. However:
| Roger Mortimer
| died in 1282
| married Maud de Braose, daughter of William de Braose,
| Lord of Brecknock, and Eve Marshal
| I have two children for them
| Isabel who married (1) John Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel
| (2) Ralph de Aderne and (3) Robert de Hastings
| and
| Sir Edmund Mortimer, Lord of Wigmore, born in 1251
| I think you swapped those two combinations of an Edmund having a
father
| called Roger?
| This Sir Edmund is the father of Roger, 1st Earl of March,
| and lover of Queen Isabella. It was the son of 1st Earl of March named
| Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
|
| Now Joan, you think that Roger, who died in 1214, is the father of
Joan who
| married James de Audley. CP volume I page 339. This shows James de
Audley
| (or Aldithley) 2nd Lord Audley, married before 13 June 1330 Joan
daughter of
| Roger (Mortimer) 1st Earl of March, by Joan, daughter of
| Piers de Joinville, which Earl had been his guardian.
|
| Please double check, I hope you agree with me, but if you don't please
tell
| us all, as it is important to have these connections correct.
Especially
| Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere is important, as his son
married
| Philippa of Clarence, granddaughter of King Edward III.
|
| Best wishes
| Leo van de Pas

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