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From: Cristopher Nash <c@windsong.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: Roger Mortimer's Children
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:54:36 +0100


"Leo van de Pas" <> -

>Dear Cris,
>Many thanks for your remarks, it is always good double-checking things. I
>think, as with most, you work on a family tree and there are not many who
>have a chance to have their work checked, and for that I am grateful.
>I think it is an important function of this group to correct
>errors displayed. In the past I had tested my two positive lines from the
>Merovingians to later families and via those to the present. I was grateful
>when the errors were pointed out and both lines were wrong.
>
>Lets start with Roger who died in 1282 and should be the father of the
>Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
>
>Edmund married in 1316 Elizabeth Badlesmere, and was born in 1305 or 1306,
>see CP IX page 284. This must leave out that Roger. However:
>Roger Mortimer
>died in 1282
>married Maud de Braose, daughter of William de Braose,
>Lord of Brecknock, and Eve Marshal
>I have two children for them
>Isabel who married (1) John Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel
>(2) Ralph de Aderne and (3) Robert de Hastings
>and
>Sir Edmund Mortimer, Lord of Wigmore, born in 1251
>I think you swapped those two combinations of an Edmund having a father
>called Roger?
>This Sir Edmund is the father of Roger, 1st Earl of March,
>and lover of Queen Isabella. It was the son of 1st Earl of March named
>Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
>
>Now Joan, you think that Roger, who died in 1214, is the father of Joan who
>married James de Audley. CP volume I page 339. This shows James de Audley
>(or Aldithley) 2nd Lord Audley, married before 13 June 1330 Joan daughter of
>Roger (Mortimer) 1st Earl of March, by Joan, daughter of
>Piers de Joinville, which Earl had been his guardian.
>
>Please double check, I hope you agree with me, but if you don't please tell
>us all, as it is important to have these connections correct. Especially
>Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere is important, as his son married
>Philippa of Clarence, granddaughter of King Edward III.
>
>Best wishes
>Leo van de Pas

Leo - you are entirely right and I was entirely out of line. Please
don't anyone listen to anything I ever say when writing from the USA,
where I invariably revert to genetype in the spirit of free
enterprise and jump in where under my UK hat I'm customarily at least
wise enough not to tread. My heartfelt apologies to you and any who
(unlike you) may have been sidetracked by my unsightly behaviour!
I'll try to keep my digital trap shut (i.e. my foot out of my mouth)
till I get back to England and reality.

Cris

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