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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Roger Mortimer's Children
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 23:03:51 +0100


No sweat.

De nada.

Thanks for being so honest about it.

We value your contributions.
--

D. Spencer Hines

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"Cristopher Nash" <c@windsong.u-net.com> wrote in message
news:v04210100b5b36f3cfbcd@[216.112.236.185]...
| "Leo van de Pas" <> -
|
| >Dear Cris,
| >Many thanks for your remarks, it is always good double-checking
things. I
| >think, as with most, you work on a family tree and there are not many
who
| >have a chance to have their work checked, and for that I am grateful.
| >I think it is an important function of this group to correct
| >errors displayed. In the past I had tested my two positive lines from
the
| >Merovingians to later families and via those to the present. I was
grateful
| >when the errors were pointed out and both lines were wrong.
| >
| >Lets start with Roger who died in 1282 and should be the father of
the
| >Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
| >
| >Edmund married in 1316 Elizabeth Badlesmere, and was born in 1305 or
1306,
| >see CP IX page 284. This must leave out that Roger. However:
| >Roger Mortimer
| >died in 1282
| >married Maud de Braose, daughter of William de Braose,
| >Lord of Brecknock, and Eve Marshal
| >I have two children for them
| >Isabel who married (1) John Fitzalan, Earl of Arundel
| >(2) Ralph de Aderne and (3) Robert de Hastings
| >and
| >Sir Edmund Mortimer, Lord of Wigmore, born in 1251
| >I think you swapped those two combinations of an Edmund having a
father
| >called Roger?
| >This Sir Edmund is the father of Roger, 1st Earl of March,
| >and lover of Queen Isabella. It was the son of 1st Earl of March
named
| >Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere.
| >
| >Now Joan, you think that Roger, who died in 1214, is the father of
Joan who
| >married James de Audley. CP volume I page 339. This shows James de
Audley
| >(or Aldithley) 2nd Lord Audley, married before 13 June 1330 Joan
daughter of
| >Roger (Mortimer) 1st Earl of March, by Joan, daughter of
| >Piers de Joinville, which Earl had been his guardian.
| >
| >Please double check, I hope you agree with me, but if you don't
please tell
| >us all, as it is important to have these connections correct.
Especially
| >Edmund who married Elizabeth Badlesmere is important, as his son
married
| >Philippa of Clarence, granddaughter of King Edward III.
| >
| >Best wishes
| >Leo van de Pas
|
| Leo - you are entirely right and I was entirely out of line. Please
| don't anyone listen to anything I ever say when writing from the USA,
| where I invariably revert to genetype in the spirit of free
| enterprise and jump in where under my UK hat I'm customarily at least
| wise enough not to tread. My heartfelt apologies to you and any who
| (unlike you) may have been sidetracked by my unsightly behaviour!
| I'll try to keep my digital trap shut (i.e. my foot out of my mouth)
| till I get back to England and reality.
|
| Cris
|

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