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From: "euroleader" <>
Subject: Re: Lines back to Adam and Eve
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:58:43 +0200
Excuse me, but is this a 'tongue in cheek' posting.... whatever happened to
Darwin's theory of evolution in the US? I know that certain states over
there are making compulsory the teaching of the 'Adam & Eve' version of
history, but come on, get real!
"Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr." <> wrote in message
> LDS (Mormon) Ensign
> Feb 84 I Have a Question (I've heard that
> some people have extended their ancestral
> lines back to Adam. Is this possible? . . .)
> ALSO: LDS (MORMON) Liahona Aug 84
> Questions and Answers
> "Robert C. Gunderson, Senior Royalty
> Research Specialist, Church Genealogical
> Department. The simplest answer to both
> questions is No Let me explain. In thirty-five
> years of genealogical research, I have yet to
> see a pedigree back to Adam that can be
> Jan 1835 President Joseph Smith, Jr.:
> "I was engaged in the school of the elders,
> and in preparing the Lectures on theology
> for publication in the Book of Doctrine
> and Covenants, which the committee
> appointed last September were now
> compiling." From the Second Lecture:
> ANCESTOR ROOTS IN ANTIQUITY
> Neither can there be a doubt existing on
> the mind of any person, that Adam was
> the first who did communicate the knowledge
> of the existence of a God to his posterity;
> and that the whole faith of the world, from
> that time down to the present, is in a certain
> degree dependent on the knowledge first
> communicated to them by their common
> progenitor. And it has been handed down
> to the day and generation in which we live,
> as we shall show from the face of the
> sacred records.
> First, Adam was 130 years old when Seth
> was born (Gen. 5:3). And the days of Adam,
> after he had begotten Seth, were 800 years,
> making him 930 years old when he died
> (Gen. 5:4-5). Seth was 105 when Enos was
> born (Gen. 5:6). Enos was 90 when Cainan
> was born (Gen. 5:9). Cainan was 70 when
> Mahalaleel was born (Gen. 5:12). Mahalaleel
> was 65 when Jared was born (Gen. 5:15).
> Jared was 162 when Enoch was born
> (Gen. 5:18). Enoch was 65 when Methuselah
> was born (Gen. 5:21). Methuselah was 187
> when Lamech was born (Gen. 5:25). Lamech
> was 182 when Noah was born (Gen. 5:28).
> From this account it appears that Lamech,
> the 9th from Adam, and the father of Noah,
> was 56 years old when Adam died;
> Methuselah, 243; Enoch, 308; Jared, 470;
> Mahalaleel, 535; Cainan, 605; Enos, 695;
> and Seth, 800. So that Lamech (the father
> of Noah), Methuselah, Enoch, Jared,
> Mahalaleel, Cainan, Enos, Seth, and Adam,
> were all living at the same time, and beyond
> all controversy were all preachers of
> Moses further informs us that Seth lived
> after he begat Enos 807 years, making him
> 912 years old at his death (Gen. 5:7-8).
> And Enos lived after he begat Cainan 815
> years, making him 905 years old when he
> died (Gen. 5:10-11). And Cainan lived
> after he begat Mahalaleel 840 years,
> making him 910 years old at his death
> (Gen. 5:13-14). And Mahalaleel lived
> after he begat Jared 830 years, making
> him 895 years old when he died
> (Gen. 5: 16-17). And Jared lived after
> he begat Enoch 800 years, making him
> 962 years old at his death (Gen. 5:19-20).
> And Enoch walked with God after he
> begat Methuselah 300 years, making him
> 365 years old [D&C 107: 49 and he walked
> with God three hundred and sixty-five years,
> making him four hundred and thirty years old]
> when he was translated (King James Version
> Gen. 5:22-23). NOTE: According to
> the Pearl of Great Price (Moses 7:68 And
> all of the days of ZION, in the days of Enoch,
> were three hundred and sixty-five years.
> And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech
> 782 years, making him 969 years old when
> he died (Gen. 5:26-27). Lamech lived after
> he begat Noah 595 years, making him 777
> years old when he died (Gen. 5:30-31).
> Agreeable to this account, Adam died
> in the 930th year of the world; Enoch
> was translated in the 987th; Seth died
> in the 1042nd; Enos in the 1140th;
> Cainan in the 1235th; Mahalaleel in
> the 1290th; Jared in the 1422nd;
> Lamech in the 1651st; and Methuselah
> in the 1656th - it being the same year
> in which the flood came.
> So Noah was 84 years old when Enos
> died, 176 when Cainan died, 234 when
> Mahalaleel died, 366 when Jared died,
> 595 when Lamech died, and 600 when
> Methuselah died. We can see from this
> that Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared,
> Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah all lived
> on the earth at the same time; and that Enos,
> Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared Methuselah,
> and Lamech, were all acquainted with both
> Adam and Noah.
> From the foregoing it is easily to be seen,
> not only how the knowledge of God came
> into the world, but upon what principle it
> was preserved; that from the time it was first
> communicated, it was retained in the minds
> of righteous men, who taught not only their
> own posterity, but the world; so that there
> was no need of a new revelation to man
> after Adam's creation to Noah, to give them
> the first idea or notion of the existence of
> a God; and not only of a God, but of the true
> and living God.
> Having traced the chronology of the world
> from Adam to Noah, we will now trace it
> from Noah to Abraham.
> Noah was 502 years old when Shem was
> born - 98 years afterward the flood came,
> being the 600th year of Noah's age.
> And Moses informs us that Noah lived after
> the flood 350 years; making him 950 years
> old when he died (Gen. 9:28-29). Shem was
> 100 years old when Arphaxad was born
> (Gen. 11:10). Arphaxad was 35 when Salah
> was born (Gen. 11:12). Salah was 30 when
> Eber was born (Gen. 11:14). Eber was 34
> when Peleg was born, in whose days the
> earth was divided (Gen. 11:16).
> Peleg was 30 when Reu was born (Gen. 11:18).
> Reu was 32 when Serug was born (Gen. 11:20).
> Serug was 30 when Nahor was born (Gen. 11:22).
> Nahor was 29 when Terah was born
> (Gen. 11:24). Terah was 70 when Haran
> and Abraham were born (Gen. 11:26).
> There is some difficulty in the account given
> by Moses, of Abraham's birth. Some have
> supposed that Abraham was not born until
> Terah was 130 years old. This conclusion is
> drawn from a variety of scriptures, which are
> not to our purpose at present to quote.
> Neither is it a matter of any consequence
> to us, whether Abraham was born when
> Terah was 70 years old, or 130. [See also,
> previous information on the life span age
> difference between D&C: Enoch 430 years,
> less King James Version 365 years (actually
> ZION dated period) = 65 year difference,
> at time of recorded death.]
> But in order that there may no doubt exist
> upon any mind, in relation to the object
> lying immediately before us in presenting
> the present chronology, we will date the
> birth of Abraham at the latest period -
> that is, when Terah was 130 years old.
> It appears from this account, that from
> the flood to the birth of Abraham was
> 352 years. Moses informs us that Shem
> lived after he begat Arphaxad 500 [years]
> (Gen 11:11). This added to 100 years,
> which was his age when Arphaxad was
> born, makes him 600 years old when
> he died. Arphaxad lived after he begat
> Salah 403 years (Gen. 11:13). This added
> to 35 years, which was his age when Salah
> was born, makes him 438 years old when
> he died.
> Salah lived after he begat Eber 403 years
> (Gen. 11:15). This added to 30 years,
> which was his age when Eber was born,
> makes him 433 years old when he died.
> Eber lived after he begat Peleg 430 years
> (Gen. 11:17). This added to 34 years,
> which was his age when Peleg was born,
> makes him 464 years old.
> Peleg lived after he begat Reu 209 years
> (Gen. 11:19). This added to 30 years,
> which was his age when Reu was born,
> makes him 239 years old when he died.
> Reu lived after he begat Serug 207 years
> (Gen. 11:21). This added to 32 years,
> which was his age when Serug was born,
> makes him 239 years old when he died.
> Serug lived after he begat Nahor 200 years
> (Gen. 11:23). This added to 30 years,
> which was his age when Nahor was born,
> makes him 230 years old when he died.
> Nahor lived after he begat Terah 119 years
> (Gen. 11:25). This added to 29 years,
> which was his age when Terah was born,
> makes him 148 years old when he died.
> Terah was 130 years old when Abraham
> was born, and is supposed to have lived
> 75 years after his birth, making him 205
> years old when he died.
> Agreeable to this last account, Peleg died
> in the 1996th year of the world, Nahor in
> the 1997th, and Noah in the 2006th. So
> that Peleg, in whose days the earth was
> divided, and Nahor, the grandfather of
> Abraham, both died before Noah - the
> former being 239 years old, and the latter
> [at age] 148. And who cannot but see
> that they must have had a long and intimate
> acquaintance with Noah?
> Reu died in the 2026th year of the world,
> Serug in [the] 2049th, Terah in the 2083rd,
> Arphaxad in the 2096th, Salah in the 2126th,
> Shem in the 2158th, Abraham in the 2183rd,
> and Eber in the 2187th, which was four years
> after Abraham's death. And Eber was the
> fourth from Noah.
> Nahor, (Abraham's brother) was 58 years
> old when Noah died, Terah 128, Serug 187,
> Reu 219, Eber 283, Salah 313, Arphaxad
> 344, and Shem 448. It appears from this
> account that Nahor (brother of Abraham),
> Terah, Nahor, Serug, Reu, Peleg, Eber,
> Salah, Arphaxad, Shem, and Noah, all lived
> on the earth at the same time.
> And that Abraham was 18 years old when
> Reu died, 41 when Serug and his brother
> Nahor died, 75 when Terah died, 88 when
> Arphaxad died, 118 when Salah died, 150
> when Shem died; and that Eber lived four
> years after Abraham's death . . . that Shem,
> Arphaxad, Salah, Eber, Reu, Serug, Terah,
> and Nahor (the brother of Abraham), and
> Abraham lived at the same time. And that
> Nahor (brother of Abraham), Terah, Serug,
> Reu, Eber, Salah, Arphaxad, and Shem,
> were all acquainted with both Noah
> and Abraham.
> We have now traced the chronology
> of the world, agreeable to the account
> given in our present [King James Version]
> Bible, from Adam to Abraham, and have
> clearly determined beyond the power of
> controversy, that there was no difficulty
> in preserving the knowledge of God in
> the world from the creation of Adam,
> and the manifestation made to his immediate
> descendants, as set forth in the former part
> of this lecture; so that . . . the knowledge
> of the existence of a God must have
> continued from father to son, as a matter
> of tradition, at least. For we cannot suppose
> that a knowledge of this important fact
> could have existed in the mind of any of
> the before mentioned individuals, without
> their having made it known to their posterity.
> Respectfully yours,
> Tom Tinney, Sr.
> Who's Who in America, Millennium Edition [54th]
> Who's Who In The West, 1998/1999
> Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
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