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From: Kay Allen AG <>
Subject: 2 Helens ferch Llywelyn
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:02:31 -0800


Elen and Helen are the same name, hence the confusion. Mr. Reitweisner's
The Genealogist article is a must-read, as he discusses all of
Llywelyn's children, but the daughters were his main focus. All of the
daughters' maternity is unknown, until more documentary evidence is
uncovered. Some may be Joan's but it is unproven which, if any. Since
the maternity of some of the children is unknown, Dave Utz's chart is a
little misleading, as it is implied that the offspring of the so-called
third wife may not be full siblings at all. Also as the maternity of the
(H)elen who married de Quincy is not known positively, so listing her as
a known dtr. of Joan's is not correct.

Kay Allen AG

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