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From: Marin-Guzman <>
Subject: Re: de Ayala, Gomez de Toledo, Spain
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 22:27:11 +1100
References: <B6C7CDCC.911%magus@ozemail.com.au>, <3AA1B69F.5BCD9350@interfold.com>




> From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
> Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH, USA
> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 20:29:35 -0700
> Subject: Re: de Ayala, Gomez de Toledo, Spain
>
> Marin-Guzman wrote:

<SNIP>

>> Sancho Velazquez, 1st señor de Ayala, (to whom the valley of Ayala was
>> granted, in 1074, by King Alfonso VI of Castile & Leon), Vela Velazquez
>> (s.p.) and Galindo Velazquez,
>
> These individuals are modeled after brothers who, as I said, were
> vassals of the King of Viguera, and as such, of his overlord,
> Sancho el Mayor of Navarre. They were implicated in the death of
> Garci Sanchez of Castile. (Note that they have slipped in time.)
> Where exactly the later Ayala lineage plugs into these brothers
> is not certain.


---------------------- Are you referring to the son of Count Sancho Garcia
of Castile: Garcia II (1008-1032), nephew of the king of Navarra and married
to the King's daughter, assasinated by the older of the two Velas brothers,
or someone else altogether? (I'm just trying to get a fix on the dates.)


> [snip]
>
>> Garcia Galindez de Salzedo m Alberta Sanz (dau. of Garcia señor de Zurbano,
>> gdau. of Garcia Sanz de Horozco, ggdau. of Sancho señor de Vizcaya) and had
>> in her 3 sons:
>
> This marriage is problematic, as it violates the system of
> patronymics, and recent work on theVIscaya show no such descent.



----------------------- I can appreciate what you are saying, still, Argote
de Molina quotes this couple as being responsible for founding the
monasteries at San Juan de Quixana, San Roman de Ocuendo, San Roman de
Orozco & San Vicente de Obando, so there should be enough documentation to
substantiate the claim of whom they were.

Argote also quotes a mention from Count Don Pedro, who died in the battle of
Alarcos (19.7.1195), of their son San Garcia de Salzedo. However, as the
original source of this was also the source of the Ayala ancestry (Pero
Lopez de Ayala) I'm not going to argue the point too much :)


Pedro Marin-Guzman

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