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From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
Subject: Re: CROWMER-FIENNES c. 1450
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:40:03 -0700
References: <3AB009A6.620D8D0D@aspermont.esc14.net>


Dear Larry:

William Crowmer (or Cromer) (died 1450), of Tunstall in Sittingbourne, Kent
was the son-in-law of James Fiennes, Lord Say and Sele (died 1450). His
wife, Elizabeth, was the daughter of James Fiennes' first wife whose
identity is unknown. Following William Crowmer's death, his widow
Elizabeth married (2nd) Alexander Iden and (3rd) Sir Laurence Raynsford
(died 1490). Elizabeth Fiennes evidently had issue by all three of her
marriages.

By her first Crowmer marriage, Elizabeth Fiennes is the ancestress of the
following immigrant:

1. Edmund Kempe, of Virginia

By her third Raynsford marriage, she is the ancestress of the following
immigrants:

2. Anne Lovelace
3. John Fisher

James Fiennes, Lord Say and Sele (father of Elizabeth) was married 2nd to
Emeline, said to be daughter of ____ Crowmer, of Willington, by ____,
daughter and co-heiress of ____ Trillow. Emeline Crowmer is usually stated
to be the mother of all of James Fiennes' children. But it appears she was
mother only to his younger two daughters.

I trust that answers your question.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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"Larry Coats" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Given the fact that Wm Crowmer, Sheriff of Kent in 1450 and James, 1st
> Lord Say and Sele, were both murdered during Jack Cade's Rebellion of
> that year, would it be reasonable to suspect or conclude that they were
> brothers-in-law? I ask this as Wm Crowmer, according to unverified
> information, married an Elizabeth Fiennes, while James Fiennes, 1st
> Lord Say and Sele, married an Emmeline Crowmer(per Burke). Moreover, Wm
> Crowmer had a son named James. If someone can verify this information, I
> would appreciate the assist.
> Regards,
>
> --
> Larry D. Hamilton Coats
> P.O. Box 823
> Aspermont, TX 79502
>
>


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