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From: "p.sutton" <>
Subject: RE: CROWMER-FIENNES c. 1450
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:15:42 -0000
In-Reply-To: <3AB009A6.620D8D0D@aspermont.esc14.net>


Larry

Complete Peerage Vol: XI page 481 note (a). says "His head (James Fiennes,
Lord Say and Sele) was set on a spear and borne about the City. His
son-in-law William Cromer, who was Sheriff of Kent, 6 Nov 1444, and "had
doon grate extorcion ther, as they seid" was beheaded the same day at Mile
End. According to another account Cade "made both hedes kisse to gider"

James Fiennes was married to Emiline Cromer or Crowmer of Willingham. The
first name of her father is not given but her mother was apparently named
Trillow (no first name given either).

Peter Sutton

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Coats [mailto:]
> Sent: 15 March 2001 00:16
> To:
> Subject: CROWMER-FIENNES c. 1450
>
>
> Given the fact that Wm Crowmer, Sheriff of Kent in 1450 and James, 1st
> Lord Say and Sele, were both murdered during Jack Cade's Rebellion of
> that year, would it be reasonable to suspect or conclude that they were
> brothers-in-law? I ask this as Wm Crowmer, according to unverified
> information, married an Elizabeth Fiennes, while James Fiennes, 1st
> Lord Say and Sele, married an Emmeline Crowmer(per Burke). Moreover, Wm
> Crowmer had a son named James. If someone can verify this information, I
> would appreciate the assist.
> Regards,
>
> --
> Larry D. Hamilton Coats
> P.O. Box 823
> Aspermont, TX 79502
>
>
>

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