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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: CROWMER-FIENNES c. 1450
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:49:05 -0000
References: <BDEILJCPECNKFPKPCLKECEBKCGAA.p.sutton@ntlworld.com>, <3ab12f17_2@binarykiller.newsfeeds.com>, <AMes6.12$2d7.48@typhoon.nyu.edu>


Hmmmmmm.

It appears as if the little old schlockmeister, my goose, has been
drinking [or smoking] and posting again.

He is obviously quite unfamiliar with the Oxford English Dictionary
[OED] and many other useful sources for the words ---- Pg, Pogue, Poke,
Poca, Poka, Pung, Pungr, Puggs, Poge, Pogh, Poghe and Pough.

This is quite puzzling, as he is a college professor. Academic
standards have indeed fallen ---- even more so than the NASDAQ.

My goose tends to wander off into the frankly and rankly obscene at
times like these. He just can't seem to help himself.

A very sad case of progressive deterioration ---- both mental and
physical. The prognosis, unfortunately, does not appear to be
encouraging in the least.

Please Ignore Him.
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing." -- Attributed to Edmund Burke [1729-1797]

Warriors ---- "There is much tradition and mystique in the bequest of
personal weapons to a surviving comrade in arms. It has to do with a
continuation of values past individual mortality. People living in a
time made safe for them by others may find this difficult to
understand." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris, Delacorte Press, [1999], p. 397.

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Vires et Honor

"Paul J Gans" <> wrote in message
news:AMes6.12$...

| In soc.history.medieval D. Spencer Hines

<> wrote:

| > This pogue, 1st Baron Saye and Sele** ---- reportedly dragged away
| > by the mob and executed 4 July 1450 [N.B. No, it was not a
| > celebration of American Independence Day that got out of hand.
| > ---- DSH] at the Standard in Cheapside, London ---- is also the 18th
| > Great-Grandfather of two very fine British actors, Ralph Nathaniel
| > Fiennes ---- and Joseph Alberic Fiennes -- his brother ---- both of
| > whom still have their heads about them ---- at last count.
|
| > ** He was created, probably in Feb 1446/47, Lord Saye and Sele.
| > See Appendix I, ["Eye"] Volume XI, [1949] of G. E. Cokayne's
| > _The Complete_ Peerage_ for a discussion of this creation.
|
| > Many folks on SGM and SHM are related to this excellent, but
| > probably corrupt ---- and certainly quite unfortunate ---- pogue
| > ---- who is well-remembered in Shakespeare's _Henry VI,
| > Part II, Act IV, Scene 7.
|
|
| I would like to remind readers of these newsgroups that "pogue"
| is a US Naval slang term for homosexual. It's [sic] usage as such
| goes back at least to the First World War.
|
| It has also been defined in a recent book as a "punk, a man who
| enjoyed receptive anal sex."
|
| Mr. Hines is very aware of this, both from his former life as
| a naval officer and more recently from discussion in soc.history.
| medieval. His above use of the term should be read in this light.
|
| ----- Paul J. Gans




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