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From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
Subject: Re: CROWMER-FIENNES c. 1450
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:56:49 -0700
References: <3AB009A6.620D8D0D@aspermont.esc14.net>, <#Hg7EnQrAHA.355@cpmsnbbsa07>


Dear Newsgroup:

In my original post on the Crowmer-Fiennes descent cited below, I posted
that the colonial immigrant, Anne Lovelace, was a descendant of Elizabeth
Fiennes' third marriage to Sir Laurence Raynsford. Anne Lovelace was
actually a descendant of Elizabeth Fiennes' first marriage to William
Crowmer.

My error regarding Anne Lovelace's descent was kindly pointed out in an
e-mail by John Steele Gordon.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail:


"Douglas Richardson" <> wrote in message
news:#...
> Dear Larry:
>
> William Crowmer (or Cromer) (died 1450), of Tunstall in Sittingbourne,
Kent
> was the son-in-law of James Fiennes, Lord Say and Sele (died 1450). His
> wife, Elizabeth, was the daughter of James Fiennes' first wife whose
> identity is unknown. Following William Crowmer's death, his widow
> Elizabeth married (2nd) Alexander Iden and (3rd) Sir Laurence Raynsford
> (died 1490). Elizabeth Fiennes evidently had issue by all three of her
> marriages.
>
> By her first Crowmer marriage, Elizabeth Fiennes is the ancestress of the
> following immigrant:
>
> 1. Edmund Kempe, of Virginia
>
> By her third Raynsford marriage, she is the ancestress of the following
> immigrants:
>
> 2. Anne Lovelace
> 3. John Fisher
>
> James Fiennes, Lord Say and Sele (father of Elizabeth) was married 2nd to
> Emeline, said to be daughter of ____ Crowmer, of Willington, by ____,
> daughter and co-heiress of ____ Trillow. Emeline Crowmer is usually
stated
> to be the mother of all of James Fiennes' children. But it appears she
was
> mother only to his younger two daughters.
>
> I trust that answers your question.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> E-mail:
>
>
> "Larry Coats" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Given the fact that Wm Crowmer, Sheriff of Kent in 1450 and James, 1st
> > Lord Say and Sele, were both murdered during Jack Cade's Rebellion of
> > that year, would it be reasonable to suspect or conclude that they were
> > brothers-in-law? I ask this as Wm Crowmer, according to unverified
> > information, married an Elizabeth Fiennes, while James Fiennes, 1st
> > Lord Say and Sele, married an Emmeline Crowmer(per Burke). Moreover, Wm
> > Crowmer had a son named James. If someone can verify this information, I
> > would appreciate the assist.
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Larry D. Hamilton Coats
> > P.O. Box 823
> > Aspermont, TX 79502
> >
> >
>
>


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