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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: End of Tomlinson discussion
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:37:30 +0100
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Pity, Really.

1. Neither side really did a clean, succinct job of laying out their
arguments.

2. There was a *great* deal of posturing.

3. There was even more unnecessary window-dressing.

4. There were a number of red herrings dragged across the trail.

5. There was insufficient detail on the key issues ---- lots of
broad-brush, generalised statements that did not deal with the
particulars of the case.

6. There was very little bottom-line genealogical throughput.

7. At the end of the day, we wound up with a scrambled dog's breakfast
of fact, factoid, rampant speculation, supine opining, wishful thinking,
and irrelevant pontifications ---- not directly linked to the case at
issue.

8. The two principal parties seemed to be talking right past each other
most of the time. Mr. Reed seems to have so little respect for true
"Discussion" that he even puts the word in lower case in his subject
line for this thread.

Most of the writing was also atrocious ---- but that's to be expected, I
suppose.

Other than that, I suppose there was some fun in it ---- at least for
Mr. Finton ---- while Mr. Reed says it "helps me anticipate what people
who are unfamiliar with these records will question" ---- certainly a
very pinched and circumscribed view of what could have been a much more
useful and productive exchange.

Pity.

Exitus Acta Probat.
--

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing." -- Attributed to Edmund Burke [1729-1797]

Warriors ---- "There is much tradition and mystique in the bequest of
personal weapons to a surviving comrade in arms. It has to do with a
continuation of values past individual mortality. People living in a
time made safe for them by others may find this difficult to understand.

The box John Brigham's guns came in was a gift in itself. He must have
bought it in the Orient when he was a Marine. A mahogany box with the
lid inlaid in mother of pearl. The weapons were pure Brigham, well
worn, well maintained and immaculately clean. An M1911A1 Colt .45
pistol, and a Safari Arms cut-down version of the .45 for concealed
carry, a boot dagger with one serrated edge. Starling had her own
leather." _Hannibal_, Thomas Harris, Delacorte Press, [1999], p. 397.

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Vires et Honor

"Reedpcgen" <> wrote in message
news:...

| I'm sure there will be many hurrahs about this.
|
| After all the discussion we have had about primary and circumstantial
evidence,
| Ken made a post that has convinced me that his ears are closed, and
that this
| is not so much a discussion of how to properly interpret and apply
documents
| and evidence during this period as it is that he is entrenched in the
very way
| he has accussed others as being.
|
| It was his "The chose to rationalize..." post, where at least he
listed the
| circumstantial evidence he thought supported his suppositions. His
FINALLY
| listing them, item by item, allowed me to reply to each claim (tho
with many
| spelling errors on my part). I believe I've said enough on each point
to show
| there is nothing out of the ordinary and that Edward Bagley was a
yeoman, as
| his father was, and that as Elizabeth Tomlinson's nephew, Edward (and
his
| father John) were able to modestly raise their positions through
association
| with Lord Dudley, but what we know is not remarkable, or the basis for
secrecy
| and conspiracy to suppress knowledge from the court, officials, and
even Edward
| Bagley himself.
|
| So, unless substantive questions which deserve further discussion are
brought
| forward, I think I've said enough. The discussion was useful to me
because it
| helps me anticipate what people who are unfamiliar with these records
will
| question.
|
| So thank you all for your patience and participation.
|
| Paul


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