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From: "Stewart, Peter" <>
Subject: RE: Reinald de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:55:58 +1000


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Subject: Re: Reinald de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay
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> Monday, 23 April, 2001
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> Hello DSH,
>
> I show the following:
>
> .1. Renaud de Courtenay, titular seigneur de Courtenay; of
> Okehampton, Devon;
> d. 27 Sept 1194. Married to Hawise de Curcy, heiress of Okehampton
> [descendant of Baldwin of Meules], and ancestors of the
> Courtenays, Earls of Devon
>
> .2. Renaud de Courtenay, seigneur de Courtenay [deprived of
> the seigneurie]; held Sutton, co. Berks in 1161: Issue:
>
> ......1. Renaud de Courtenay [above, #1]
> ......2. Elizabeth de Courtenay, wife of Peter [Pierre], afterward de
> Courtenay, younger son of King Louis VI of France [ancestors
> of the de Courtenay Latin Emperors of Constantinople, and of Isabella
> of Angouleme, wife of John of England, etc.]
>
> .3. NN
>
> .4. Miles de Courtenay, seigneur de Courtenay
> .5. Ermengarde de Nevers
> .6.
> .7.
>
> .8. Joscelin de Courtenay, seigneur de Courtenay. Issue:
>
> ......1. Miles de Courtenay [above, #4]
> ......2. Joscelin de Courtenay, participant in the First
> Crusade; Count of
> Edessa [successor to Baldwin of Le Bourq], 1118-1131 [ancestor of the
> Courtenay Counts and titular Counts of Edessa]
>
> .9. Isabella de Corbeil
> 10.Renaud II de Nevers, Comte de Nevers
> 11.
> 12.
> 13.
> 14.
> 15.
>
> 16.
> 17.
> 18. Bouchard de Montlhery, Comte de Corbeil
> 19. Adela or Adelaide de Crecy
> 20. Guillaume I de Nevers, Comte de Nevers; d. 20 June 1100
> 21.

Where did you find this parentage for 9. Isabella?

According to ES III/4 Tafel 624 & other sources she was a daughter of Guy I,
seigneur of Montlhéry & castellan of Rochefort-en-Yvelines (died as a monk
at Longpont priory 1095) and Hodierna de Gometz, dame of Bures (died ca 1074
- possibly canonised, though I can't find her in a calendar of saints).

By the way, ES III/4 Tafel 629 agrees with CP IV page 317 on the ancestry of
Reinald, seigneur of Courtenay, whom DSH asked about in the first place.
Both lineages start from Joscelin I and do not mention a connection to
"Athon, castellan of Chateau-Renard" who appears elsewhere as the
Courtenay's progenitor.

Peter Stewart

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