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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Doggerel
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:44:57 +0100
References: <HZtN6.3508$>, <ZDvN6.1063$>, <>

1. No. Dead Wrong.

2. _Doggerel_, as an adjective, means "marked by triviality or
inferiority" ---- among other things. Don't expect words to have only a
*single* meaning, as one pogue here insists, with respect to
*Feudalism* ---- to do so is simplistic and reductionist. You mark
yourself as a member of the poguenoscenti when you do so.

3. This English adjective _Doggerel_ ---- meaning "marked by triviality
or inferiority ---- can then be applied to various nouns.

4. For example, we may use your squib, one-liner, post infra as an
example. We may say:

"Renia's doggerel post to SGM and SHM is amusing, but depressing."


"Renia's post, infra, is a doggerel post."

5. By the simple and well-known process of linguistic elision,
particularly in English speech, we then drop the second noun,
"post" ---- since it is clearly understood, and is excess baggage. So,
we can say:

"Renia's post, infra, is doggerel."

6. Next, we are quite within our rights ---- after examination of
scores, indeed hundreds, of Renia's posts ---- to say:

"Renia writes doggerel [posts --- understood] and posts [them] it to SGM
and SHM."

7. There ---- have I made it simple enough for you?

8. One of the great beauties of the English language, indeed its
genius ---- *one* of them ---- is that it allows for, permits ---- and
indeed *encourages* this sort of evolutionary process of linguistic
growth and flowering. The language is enriched, simplified [in some
cases], enlarged, made more colourful ---- and many fruits are borne to
feed the faithful. Even the poguenoscenti gain thereby, although many
of them are too witless to see it.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Verbum Sapienti.

John 5:14

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

"Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit." Publius Virgilius Maro
(Virgil) [70-19 B.C.] [Aeneid I, 203] Aeneas, seeking to comfort his
men as they contemplate an arduous journey to Italy, reassures them
that, "Someday, perhaps, it will be pleasant to remember all this."

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"Renia" <> wrote in message

| "D. Spencer Hines" wrote:
| > No Sale for Gordon.
| >
| > _Doggerel_ clearly can refer to various types of writing including
| > either poetry or prose.
| >
| > Of course, the differences between poetry and prose are often
| > miniscule ---- and are by no means theological ---- less so with
| > year that passes.
| >
| > If one wants to differentiate precisely between the two, one should
| > _doggerel verse_ and _doggerel prose_.
| Bollocks, as they say. Doggerel is "Comic verse".
| Renia
| > Further, if Gordon thinks that the Middle English _dogerel_ derives
| > dog-Latin, then the burden of proof is on him and I look forward to
| > he comes up with.
| > --
| >
| > D. Spencer Hines
| >
| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas

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