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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Brewster Descendants (OT)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:52:04 +0100
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And the conclusions were?
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D. Spencer Hines

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"Sutliff" <> wrote in message
news:001001c0e854$7f312d00$...
| I checked with Susan Roser who wrote _Mayflower Increasings_. She says
that
| Jonathan Brewster's first wife is another of those old wives tales
that just
| will not die. There is nothing to tie Jonathan Brewster to the
Jonathan of
| the records except the same first name.
|
| Apparently this tale was put to rest:
|
| A series of articles was written in The Mayflower Quarterly entitled
| "Jonathan Brewster In Leiden Documents", by Jeremy D. Bangs, MQ
51:161-67,
| 52:6-16, 57-63, 72-83.
|
| Best regards,
|
| Henry
|
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barbara P. Smith" <>
| To: "Sutliff" <>; <>
| Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:46 PM
| Subject: RE: Brewster Descendants (OT)
|
|
| > Alas, the lack of footnotes in Willison is a problem. However, an
earlier
| > work, "The Brewster Genealogy 1566-1907" by Jones (1908) addresses
the
| > probability of the Leydon marriage (and this is based on
documentation in
| > the Leyden archives, "Reg. van Overledenen Personen," iii. 50):
| >
| > "On Nov. 27 there was buried in St. Peter's 'a child of Jonathan
William's
| > son, living on the church street.' If we knew that Jonathan
Brewster had
| > been married, the natural interpretation of this enter would refer
it to a
| > death in his family, which lived on that street; and if the name
were
| > Jonathan William's son Brewster, as it is on his admission to
citizenship
| in
| > 1617, it would be clear that he is referred to. Jonathan was not a
Dutch
| > name, and appears only once or twice during many years in connection
with
| > Englishmen in Leyden, and with no one else likely to have been
referred to
| > at this time. In view of the common Dutch custom of designating a
man
| > merely as his father's son, omitting the last name in each case,
there
| seems
| > no doubt that Jonathan Brewster is meant; although no record of his
| marriage
| > has ever appeared, and at this time he cannot have been much over
| seventeen
| > years old, which renders his having been married long enough to have
a
| child
| > improbable, although not impossible. On the other hand, he
certainly
| buried
| > his wife on May 10, 1619. (Refg. Ov. 4, 73 vers.) He may have had
an
| early
| > attachment in England, and expediency and convenience may have led
to
| > marriage, even at his early age. Such marriages were not unknown.
| Dorothy
| > May was only sixteen when she became Mrs. William Bradford. On the
whole,
| > therefore, it seems quite certain that Jonathan Brewster had been
married
| > and that this was his child."
| >
| > Barbara
| >
| > -----Original Message-----
| > From: Sutliff [mailto:]
| > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:04 PM
| > To: Barbara P. Smith;
| > Subject: Re: Brewster Descendants (OT)
| >
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Barbara P. Smith" <>
| > To: <>
| > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:43 PM
| > Subject: RE: Brewster Descendants (OT)
| >
| >
| > ><snip>
| >
| > > In "Saints and Strangers," Willison has this to say (pp 130-131):
| > >
| > > "Some had decided to split their families. With her husband still
| hiding
| > > somewhere in England but planning to slip on board the Speedwell
at
| > > Southampton, Mary Brewster, now a grandmother, had brought along
her two
| > > youngest children, "Wrastle" or Wrestling...and Love..., boys of
six and
| > > nine. Her two daughters, Fear and Patience, the former an
adolescent,
| the
| > > latter a woman of twenty, were left behind at Leyden for a time,
| doubtless
| > > in care of their older brother Jonathan, now a man of
twenty-seven, who
| > > delayed his departure for more than a year, perhaps because he had
| > recently
| > > lost both his wife and only child."
| > >
| > > Barbara
| >
| > <snip>
| >
| > Curiously no mention of an earlier wife of Jonathan Brewster is made
in
| > _Mayflower Families in Progress: William Brewster of the Mayflower
and His
| > Descendants for Four Generations_ (Second Edition, Plymouth: General
| Society
| > of Mayflower Descendants, 1996). Does Willison document his
statement?
| > Jonathan left behind as his legacy _ The Brewster Book_ which
documents in
| > his own handwriting births and deaths in his own family. Wonder why
the
| > previous wife and child were omitted?
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Henry
| > (another Jonathan descendant)


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