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From: "Pierre Aronax" <>
Subject: Re: Was Paleiologos Jewish?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 12:49:54 +0200
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> I was surprised today to hear that Palaiologos was Jewish.

Where or from who do you ear that please ?

> Notes from The House of Israel: A treatise on the destiny, history and
> identification of Israel in all the five branches by Earnest L. Whitehead.
> Appendix 2. pp.575-577.
>
> Pedigree of Robert E. Lee back to King David of Israel

Why not back to Adam ? :)

> 1. David, King of Israel.

This one is historical :))

<...>
> 55. John Paleologus.
> 56. Andrew Paleologus.
> 57. Michael Paleologus.
> 58. Theodore Paleologus.
> 59. Constantine Paleologus.
> 60. Alexander Paleologus.
> 61. John Paleologus.
> 62. Thodore Paleologus.
> 63. Emanuel Paleologus.
> 64. Michael Paleologus.
> 65. Alexius Paleologus md. Irene, dau. of Alexius Angelus, Emperor of
> Constantinople, and Euphrosyne, the Empress.
> 66. A daughter md. Andronicus Paleologus.
> 67. Michael VIII, Emperor of Constantinople, 1259-1282.

<...>

All that is very funny, but as far as I know the male line of the
Palaiologoi can not be traced back further than Nikphoros Palaiologos, +
near Dyrrachion 18 October 1081. The line you give is incorrect, the correct
one would be (conserving your numeration) :

"60". (and before) : unknow
61. Nikphoros Palaiologos, duke of Mesopotamia, sp. N.
62. Georgios Palaiologos, duke of Dyrrachion, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina
63. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina(-Komnn)
64. Georgios Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na
65. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, then despot, sp. Eirn
(Angelina-)Komnn, heiress of the Empire
66. Theodora Komnn(-Palaiologina), sp. Andronikos
Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, great domestikos
67. Michal VIII Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, Emperor of the Romans


But we can do that also in the male line :

61. Nikphoros Palaiologos, duke of Mesopotamia, sp. N.
62. Georgios Palaiologos, duke of Dyrrachion, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina
63. Nikphoros Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na, probably parents of :
64. Michal Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na
65. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, great duke, sp. Eirn
Komnn(-Kantakouzn)
66. Andronikos Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, great domestikos, sp. Theodora
Komnn(-Palaiologina)
67. Michal VIII Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, Emperor of the Romans

The definite study on the family of the Palaiologoi before Michael VIII is :
J.-F. Vannier, "Les premiers Palologues", in J-Cl. Cheynet and J.-F.
Vannier, Etudes prosopographiques, Paris, 1986 (Byzantina Sorbonensia, 5).

Pierre


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