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From: "omega" <>
Subject: Re: Was Paleiologos Jewish?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 22:10:34 +1000
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A Jewish couple were told by a Jewish "Expert" that they are descendents of
the Palaiologos family,
and ask me for details.
I never thought that the Palaiologos were Jewish.
Than they past me the list. I thought this is as good place as any to post
it and see what comes out of it.

In my opinion, The first and second known Palaiologos (son of the first)
were both Byzantinian Generals.
It is unthinkable for a Jewish person to become a General of a Greek army.
Even more unthinkable to become an Emperor.

The list also includes other European rulers that I did not think were
Jewish either.

--
Dr George Tsambourakis
Omega Thoroughbreds
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http://www.thoroughbreds.com.au
"Pierre Aronax" <> wrote in message
news:9fl1je$ocn$1@front4.grolier.fr...
>
> omega <> a crit dans le message :
> yZVS6.10$...
> > I was surprised today to hear that Palaiologos was Jewish.
>
> Where or from who do you ear that please ?
>
> > Notes from The House of Israel: A treatise on the destiny, history and
> > identification of Israel in all the five branches by Earnest L.
Whitehead.
> > Appendix 2. pp.575-577.
> >
> > Pedigree of Robert E. Lee back to King David of Israel
>
> Why not back to Adam ? :)
>
> > 1. David, King of Israel.
>
> This one is historical :))
>
> <...>
> > 55. John Paleologus.
> > 56. Andrew Paleologus.
> > 57. Michael Paleologus.
> > 58. Theodore Paleologus.
> > 59. Constantine Paleologus.
> > 60. Alexander Paleologus.
> > 61. John Paleologus.
> > 62. Thodore Paleologus.
> > 63. Emanuel Paleologus.
> > 64. Michael Paleologus.
> > 65. Alexius Paleologus md. Irene, dau. of Alexius Angelus, Emperor of
> > Constantinople, and Euphrosyne, the Empress.
> > 66. A daughter md. Andronicus Paleologus.
> > 67. Michael VIII, Emperor of Constantinople, 1259-1282.
>
> <...>
>
> All that is very funny, but as far as I know the male line of the
> Palaiologoi can not be traced back further than Nikphoros Palaiologos, +
> near Dyrrachion 18 October 1081. The line you give is incorrect, the
correct
> one would be (conserving your numeration) :
>
> "60". (and before) : unknow
> 61. Nikphoros Palaiologos, duke of Mesopotamia, sp. N.
> 62. Georgios Palaiologos, duke of Dyrrachion, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina
> 63. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina(-Komnn)
> 64. Georgios Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na
> 65. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, then despot, sp. Eirn
> (Angelina-)Komnn, heiress of the Empire
> 66. Theodora Komnn(-Palaiologina), sp. Andronikos
> Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, great domestikos
> 67. Michal VIII Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, Emperor of the Romans
>
>
> But we can do that also in the male line :
>
> 61. Nikphoros Palaiologos, duke of Mesopotamia, sp. N.
> 62. Georgios Palaiologos, duke of Dyrrachion, sebastos, sp. Anna Doukaina
> 63. Nikphoros Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na, probably parents of :
> 64. Michal Palaiologos, sebastos, sp. Na
> 65. Alexios Palaiologos, sebastos, great duke, sp. Eirn
> Komnn(-Kantakouzn)
> 66. Andronikos Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, great domestikos, sp. Theodora
> Komnn(-Palaiologina)
> 67. Michal VIII Doukas-Komnnos-Palaiologos, Emperor of the Romans
>
> The definite study on the family of the Palaiologoi before Michael VIII is
:
> J.-F. Vannier, "Les premiers Palologues", in J-Cl. Cheynet and J.-F.
> Vannier, Etudes prosopographiques, Paris, 1986 (Byzantina Sorbonensia, 5).
>
> Pierre
>
>


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