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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Mohammed the Prophet
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:07:04 -0600
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OK, now I will address the muslim part of this bogus descent.
For this I rely heavily on the writings of Kalid Yahya
Blankinship.

Annie Natalelli-Waloszek wrote:
>
> 1 Abd Allah Ben Abd AL-MUTTALIB b: 554 + Amina Bint WAHB b: ABT. 554
> 2 The Prophet MUHAMMAD b: 570 d: 632 + KHADIJAH b: ABT. 570
> 3 Fatimah Bint MUHAMMAD b: ABT. 606 + Ali Ibn Abi Talib of ARABIA b: ABT.
> 600
> 4 Al Hasan of ARABIA b: ABT. 624
> 5 Husein of ARABIA b: ABT. 640

Or perhaps Zohra is intended as granddaughter of either Hasan or
Husein - the author's intent is unclear, but this is not relevant
(for the reason explained in the next note).

> 6 Zohra "The Lakhm" of ARABIA b:ABT. 680 + Abu Farisi of ARABIA b: ABT.
> 680

This woman is fictional, as is her nickname, invented (ca. 1500)
solely to connect the Lakhmi line to that of Ali and Muhammad.
These Lakhm were a minor tribe from the Sinai distinct from the
house of Ali, so a descendant of his would not have been
described as "the Lakhm", nor were any daughters of Ali's tribe
allowed to marry out of the tribe at this time. Likewise, Abu
Fasisi is an invention, not known to the earliest scholars nad
genealogists of the family that would come to rule in SPain.

> 7 Na'Im Al Lakhmi of ARABIA b: ABT. 700

The medieval pedigrees only trace back to him. Some accounts
make Na'im and Itaf brothers.

> 8 Ittaf Ben Naim of ARABIA b: ABT. 730
> 9 Amr Ben ITAF b: 800

(A 70 year generation? Actually, Itaf is said to have been a
soldier in 742, which exacerbates the chronological problem. He
only appears in the histories of the royyal family claiming
descent from him, and may likewise be fictional. None of the
intervening generations down to Muhammad are independently
attested, outside of the pedigree of the Abu 'Abbadis, and the
pedigree has no branches through these generations.)

> 10 Aslan Ben AMR b: 830

(a generation has been left out here - 'Amr ibn Aslam)

> 11 Abbad Ben AMR b: 890

He is the eponymous ancestor of the Abu 'Abbadi family, and
perhaps a prior first-ancestor, before the pedigree was extended.

> 12 Oarais Ben ABBAD b: 920

(This should be Quraysh)

> 13 Ismail Ben OARAIS b: 954
> 14 Muhammad I Kadi Abu'I-Kasim Ben ISMAIL b: 984
> 15 Muhammad II Abu Amr Abbad Ben Al MUTADID b:1014 + ? of Balearic ISLES b:
> 1014
> 16 Muhammad III Abu I Kasim Al MUTAMID b:1040 + I'Tamid (exSLAVE) b: ABT.
> 1045
> 17 Zaida Princess DENIA b:1071+AlfonsoVI"Valiant"ofCastile&Leon b:1040 d: 29
> Jun 1109

If Zaida was daughter of Muhammed, which she wasn't, she wouldn't
be from Denia. That represents a separate theory, proposed by
Menendez Pidal, that Zaida was niece of "Aven Alfage", who he
interpreted to be al-Hajib of Denia. However, this
identification is far from certain, and even were it correct,
that does not mean that she herself hailed from the Kingdom of
her uncle.

> Problems with Zaida (alias Elizabeth, Isabela in Spanish) were discussed on
> this list in January, 2001, but not very conclusively...
>
> Main questions remaining would be as to her father, 16 Muhammad III Abu I
> Kasim Al MUTAMID b:1040 + I'Tamid (exSLAVE) b: ABT. 1045,

Certainly not, as she was widow of his son Abu Nasr al-Fath
al-Ma'mun (as testified by two independent muslim sources), and
Islam prohibits the marriage of siblings.

> or Abu Nabeth, King of Yspalensis,

(no evidence whatsoever - could this be a corruption of Abu Nasr
al-Fath?)

. . . or (unknown), heaven forbid.

taf

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