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From: "Rosie Bevan" <>
Subject: Re: St. George of Hatley St. George
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 23:14:44 +1200
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Hi Odd

The 106th ed (1999) Burke's Peerage and Baronetage has the St George line
as follows:

The ST GEORGEs who held the Hatley St George or Hungre Hatley estate Cambs.
from at least temp Henry II to temp Charles II were a cadet branch of a
French family of the same name who helf the fief of St Georges near Limoges.

1. Baldwin ; allegedly settled in England temp William I, died in or aft
1113 having had with a daughter Albreda (a nun in Clerkenwell)
2. William St George living 1199
3. Baldwin b. by 1216
4. William living 1243
5. Baldwin living 1256 d. 1282=Basilia de Soham of Mepham, Isle of Ely widow
of Eymond Turenberd, Constable of the Tower of London [she was not mother of
6.]
6. Sir William d. by 1312= Margaret de Turenberd, his step sister
7. Baldwin d.v.p.=Joan
8. Sir William living 1348
9. Sir Baldwin JP MP for Cambs. and Hunts.=Elizabeth da. and coheir of Sir
John Argentine
10. Sir Baldwin JP MP Cambs. d. 18 Feb 1425=Joan, da. and coheir of Sir John
Engaine
11. John d.v.p.=Matilda, da. and heiress of Sir William de Coggeshall
12. Sir William d.1472=Katherine da. of Sir John Manningham
13. Sir Richard b.1446 d.1485=Ann da. of Thomas a Burgoine of Impington,
Cambs.
14. Thomas b.1473 d.1540=Alice da. of Sir John Rotherham of of Somerham
15. George=Joan da. of William Mordaunt
15. Ann=John Doowra [sic]
15. Catherine=Richard Marshall

If you would like a copy of the full pedigree, I am happy to send it to you.

Cheers

Rosie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Odd Ottesen" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: St. George of Hatley St. George


>
>
> In the 17th Century there were three generations of St. George heralds, of
different order. First it was Sir Richard St. George (died 1635)
(Clarenceux), then his son Sir Henry St. George (1581-1644) (Garter), and
finally his grandsons (Henry's sons) Sir Thomas St. George (1615-1703)
(Garter), Sir Henry St. George (1624-1715) (Garter) and Sir Richard St.
George (born 1631) (Ulster). I find this noteworthy in itself.
>
> The family's home was at Hatley Park in Hatley St. George in
Cambridgeshire, where the family lived for centuries. In the local church
here, there shall be a group of 15 shields painted for Sir Henry St. George
the elder in 1627.
>
> Some of these St. George's are connected to the published "visitations".
Henry St. George, then Richmond herald, was involved in the visitations of
Cambridgeshire in 1619. And I would suppose the family is mentioned in the
visitations of that shire. (There are no example of this visitation in
Norwegian libraries, so I have not consulted this, yet.)
>
> Can anybody out there give me further informations about this family? My
concern is the couple John Docwra and Ann St. George, allegedly a daughter
of Thomas St. George of Hatley St. George. The couple were parents of Thomas
Docwra of Putteridge in Offley, Cambs. (1519-1602) and Humphrey Docwra
(1525-1565).
>
> In a contribution to the "Continental genes" whim, Henry Sutliff says that
a granddaughter of Sir John Hawkwood, the "condottiere", Mathilda
Coggeshall, married John St. George, and their descendant was the above
mentioned Sir Richard St. George, Clarenceux King of Arms.
>
> As an apropos to another recent exchange of words on this list: according
to Burke (25. ed. - a book that is available in Norwegian libraries) the
first St. George in England, Baldwin, of course was one of the Conquerer's
companions. I suppose that may be due to the contribution of one of the
heralds in this family.
>
> Odd Ottesen, Kristiansand, Norway
>
>

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