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From: (Albert B. Bach)
Subject: Re: Robert I of Flanders, Robert II Capet & Russian connection?
Date: 1 Jul 2001 23:35:18 -0700
References: <BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E0008C7FA708701B1F94F@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>


Peter,

Her date of death at being in Messines, 8 Jan 1079, I got from
Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Weis/Faris, line
128.22.

Ancestral Roots calls her "Adele (Aelis) of France, Countess of
Contenance."

That I have her as cometesse d' Auxerre comes from Antoine de
Nadaillac's website who has the following for King Robert II of
France:

II. Robert II "Le Pieux", "Le Sage" (° Orléans, 27.03.972-Melun,
20.07.1031, inhumé à Saint-Denis), duc de Bourgogne en 1001, couronné
le 25/30.12.987, et roi de France (20.10.996) ép. 1°. 988, Suzanne de
Provence (° 950/960-7.02.1003), répudiée en 992, fille de Béranger,
roi de Provence; 2°. 996, Berthe de Blois (° v. 964-ap. 1016), fille
de Conrad Ier "Le Pacifique", roi de Bourgogne et de Mahaut de France,
veuve d'Eudes Ier de Chartres, comte de Blois, séparées en 1001 pour
cause de parenté; 3°. v. 1002, Constance d'Arles (° v. 986-Melun,
25.07.1032, inhumée à Saint-Denis), fille de Guillaume Ier, comte
d'Arles et de Blanche-Adélaïde d'Anjou. Dont du dernier lit :
1. Adélaïde (° v. 1003-Messine, 8.01.1079), comtesse d'Auxerre ép. v.
1015, Renaud Ier (+ 1040), comte de Nevers.
2. Hugues (° 1007-17.09.1025, inhumé à Saint-Cornellier), associé au
trône en 1017.
3. Henri Ier (+ 1060), roi de France, qui suit.
4. Adelle (° 1009-Messine, 8.01.1079), comtesse d'Auxerre ép. 1°.
1027, Richard III (+ 1027), duc de Normandie; 2°. 1028, Baudoin V (°
1012-1067), comte de Flandres.
5. Robert Ier "Sans Terre" ou "Le Vieux" (° v. 1011-1076), duc de
Bourgogne. (Cf. Chapitre IX : La Première Maison Capétienne de
Bourgogne).
6. Eudes (° 1013-ap. 1055), retardé mentalement, cité en 1056.

( http://perso.club-internet.fr/anosteo/ )

It appears he styles both Adelaide and Adele as comtesses d'Auxerre.
His data looks fairly "full" and I trusted it.

So, it seems I should revise Adelle and style her comtesse de
Contenance that Ancestral Roots gives her, and as noted by bill
kullman.

...dumb question, did both sisters die the same day? Velde says that
Adelaide, wife of Renaud de Nevers, died after 1063. (Looks like ONE
typo at least.)

Velde (Heratlas) too says Adelle was the widow of Richard III of
Normandy before marrying Baldwin V of Flanders.

The birthdate 1015-1017 I took from a message from this newsgroup,
posted by TAF, Re: Alice of Normandy, who noted "Information in this
message per Thierry Stasser who wrote an article on Matilda, a
previously overlooked daughter of Richard II of Normandy." 2001-03-25
22:05:48 PST

Nadillac gives her 1009. Which would make her a more marriageable age
to Richard. Age 10-11 seems really young, even for a viking like
Richard.

So, I'll stick with Nadillac's 1009 for Adella, revise Adelaides death
to be after 1063 (albeit, the same day as her sister, *is* after
1062), and ignore TAF's Stasser info.

(Stewart, Peter) wrote in message news:<>...
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Kullman [mailto:]
> > Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 7:18
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Robert I of Flanders, Robert II Capet & Russian
> > connection?
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> > > 2. Graaf van Vlaanderen Robrecht I "de Fries" van Vlaanderen
> > > Birth* bt 1029-1032
> > > Death* 13 Oct 1093 Kassel, Hessen, Germany.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- 3rd Generation ---
> >
> > The mother of Robert I "the Freisan" is Princess Adel (Aelis)
> > (Capet) of France, countess of Countenance d. 8 Jan 1079
> > rather than her sister, Adelle, countess of Auxerre. [see AR
> > 128-22 vs. 128-22]
> > Correct me please if I'm in error on this.
>
> The mother of Robert was Adela (or Alaïs), born ca 1013, died 8 Jan 1079,
> possibly the widow of Richard III, duke of Normandy (though I doubt this)
> before she married Balduin V de Lille, count of Flanders. I don't know where
> or when the idea originated that she was a countess in her own right, and I
> haven't seen a reference to any proof of this. There was a correspondence
> here a few months ago about her upbringing in Flanders as a future countess
> & her purported first marriage in Normandy.
>
> Her eldest sister was probably Advisa (Avoie or also Alaïs), born before
> November 1005, died 1079, who married after January 1016 Reinald I, count of
> Nevers & Auxerre (killed in battle at Seignelay 29 May 1040). The birthdate
> given here conflicts with some evidence about the timing of her parents'
> marriage - see W Scott Jesse's "A Missing Capetian Princess: Advisa Daughter
> of King Robert II of France" in *Medieval Prosopography* 11 (1990).
>
> Peter Stewart

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