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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Robert I of Flanders, Robert II Capet & Russian connection?
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:00:47 -0600
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"Albert B. Bach" wrote:
>
> Not to the Rus. Igor Rurikovich, GrandPrince of Kiev in 912, and
> ancestor of the Rurikids, is the cousin Gongu-Hrolf, Count of Rouen in
> 911, (and ancestor of the Dukes of Normandy, he being aka Robert I).
> Gongo-Hrolf and Igor are 3rd cousins, four times removed, via Auda
> Ivarsdottir (Gongu-Hrolf being the 6th great-grandson, and Igor the
> 2nd great-grandson).



Except that Igor was not necessarily son of Rurik (the chronology
seems long, and there has been much speculation making him
grandson of one sort or another); Rurik cannot be identified with
any scandinavian namesakes of the time; Rollo of Rouen was
probably not identical to Gongu-Hrolf; Gongu-Hrolf's descent from
the Inglingas is a late fabrication, and all of the early
characters in Inglingatal are without documentary basis, some of
them certainly being invented, among these Auda.

> Granted, these nordic lines are heavy on myth.

Not all are myth, per se. The placement of Rurik among the house
of "Harald Hildetand" is a modern invention of wishful thinking
and uncritical genealogy, and I suspect that the identification
of Hrolf with ROllo had a similar foundation, just earlier.

taf

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