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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Joan, The Fair Maid Of Kent [Was: Joan Holland]
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:27:42 +0100
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Actually, Quite Bogus [QB].
I did not say it was a *Title* ---- or even a *Style*.
I simply used it as a functional description ---- "Queen Mother".
If I use a *Title* I'll say so. Then you'll know.
"Joan, The Fair Maid Of Kent" was not her *Title* either.
Further, there are all sorts of queens and Queens ---- USENET is thick
with them ---- and some of them have sons and daughters too. <g>
Try it, you'll see, Jean Coeur de Lapin.
Fortem Posce Animum.
I still think we need a really good film about her life and times.
Marvellous array of characters. Sir Thomas de Holand, Edward III [who
had the hots for her too], The Black Prince, [father and son fight over
foxy lady] Richard II, Wat Tyler and his Merry Peasants, the Mayor of
London, Edward I [her grandfather, in flashback].
Jean Froissart, The Garter Story, Wycliffe, John of Gaunt, Bolingbroke,
William, Earl of Salisbury, Edmund of Woodstock [her father, executed at
28, when Joan was not yet 2], Philippa de Hainault, who raised Joan
after her father's tragic death [he was a ninny], Joan of England,
Lionel of Antwerp, Edmund of Langley and a rich cast of supporting
players ---- high and low.
Premonitions of the Wars of The Roses to come. Sequels aplenty.
Liberal stealing from Shakespeare and others. A spin-off film on the
Hundred Years War ---- with two foci, The Black Prince and Henry V.
A _Planet Of The Apes_ series for grown-ups.
It'll make _Titanic_ look like a low-budget "B" film.
Mel Gibson should direct ---- or Ridley Scott.
Who should play Joan?
"I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study
mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and
philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation,
commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to
study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and
porcelain." John Adams, (1735-1826) Second President of the United
States. Letter to Abigail Adams, his wife, 12 May 1780.
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"A Tsar Is Born" <> wrote in message
| "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message
| > The Black Prince's wife is usually simply described as Joan, The
| > Fair Maid of Kent or The Princess of Wales. She was a startling
| > But she also appears as Countess of Kent and Countess of Salisbury.
| > Froissart has a good deal on her. She is, of course, the mother of
| > Richard II ---- so, she was the Queen Mother too.
| She was never Queen, so she was never Queen Mother.
| The title was not in use then, to be sure, but the title Queen was,
| one ever used it of Joan of Kent. She was Princess Dowager of Wales.
| don't think that title was ever used until Henry VIII devised it for
| former wife.)
| But if the title Queen Mother had existed, it would not have been used
| Joan by current criteria, or the criteria of any state I can think of.
| Napoleon's mother was never Queen Mother.
| Franz Josef's mother was never Queen Mother.
| Karl's mother was never Queen Mother.
| George III's mother was never Queen Mother.
| Victoria's mother was never Queen Mother.
| You have to be Queen before you can be Queen Mother.
| Sad really.
| Jean Coeur de Lapin
|Joan, The Fair Maid Of Kent [Was: Joan Holland] by "D. Spencer Hines" <>|