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From: "Phil Moody" <>
Subject: RE: Subject: Parentage of Toqtamish
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:04:39 -0500
In-Reply-To: <3B69A4A5.1301C227@nethere.com>


Bernard Schulmann wrote:
I find this name rather curious. To me it looks and sounds like a coast
salish name(the aboriginal peoples of parts of BC and Washington) - is there
a history of names like this among the Mongols????

PLM: This should not be surprising Bernard, if you give any thought to how
the natives of North and South america came to be here initially. I believe
the prevailing theory is that they came from what is now Russia, into Alaska
and spread out from there but the curious fact that the natives had a higher
degree of civilization further to the south, seems to contradict this
assumption, me thinks:-)
Then there is Ignatius Donnelly's theory that it was populated by refugees
from Atlantis:-)

Best Wishes,
Phil

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Subject: Re: Subject: Parentage of Toqtamish




Bernard Schulmann wrote:

> > Subject: Parentage of Toqtamish
> > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:40:05 GMT
> > From: (Henry Soszynski)
> > To:
> >
> > Anyone know the ancestry of Toqtamish who united the Blue and White
> > Hordes a little after 1378 into the Great or Golden Horde. My source
> > says that he was the son of Toli Kwaja or descendant of Orda's brother
> >
> > Toqa Temur. TIA
> > Cheers,Henry
> >
> > - -
>
> I find this name rather curious. To me it looks and sounds like a coast
salish name(the
> aboriginal peoples of parts of BC and Washington) - is there a history of
names like this among the
> Mongols????
>
> yours
>
> Bernard Schulmann
> Lillooet BC
> Canada

Yes there is. There are at least three with this name that Zambaur lists
among Juji's descendants

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