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From: "Annie Natalelli-Waloszek" <>
Subject: Re: Royal Family of Europe
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:01:03 +0200


Dear Sam:

Your letter impressed me by the youthfull enthusiasm, the huge
ambition, and the good intentions, coupled with an amazing lack
of information about the many excellent and all of them maligned
on this list of "experts" -- mostly in how to discourage any new talent
that might in some way challenge their feelings of exclusivity on the
matter...

It's good to see someone putting such a big effort forward on their own,
& keeping it straight is a sign of talent; I'd figure you for one of the
rising stars, given a continual progress & perfectioning of research
techniques -- & if you survive the gauntlet of the turkeys around here...
just use your delet button before reading too much of the poison,
Find some buddies to help you laugh it off when the going gets rough,
& you'll do fine.

NEVER do like I do, and answer them as if they were reasoning
human beings; they prey on your energy & go weird with the bloodlust,
tend to kill one's enthusiasm for the work; don't let them do that...

There are a lot of good sites like yours, but all of them have errors...
& a lot of good data...

I have no idea what sort of sources you used but it will never be
enough for this bunch if they decide to lambast you! Let them blow
over and go on about your business fixing any errors anyone points
out, but don't take just anyone's word for things; they screw up too!
Even the best of them! and not just once or twice... Your actually
doing fine... the important thing is to do it, and to keep doing it!

What you might do however, is to look over some of the other good
global sites, crosscheck your own & check several sources on
material that conflicts... I'll try to find a list of urls, or perhaps those
on the list who think they have good royals compendiums, could all
repost them, so we can make a list and crosscheck them all against
each other, to try to wrestle out the probable Truth...
Stewart Baldwin has some, Chris Phillips, Chris & Tom Tinney,
Brian Tompsett (much maligned but very comprehensive) I think
Therav as well... surely more...

But considering some of the nasty stuff that's going on, (& it's not
even me!) I feel reassured I'm in good and innocent company.
Take it as an honor; means you make them feel threatened!
What if they dont discourage you, & this great beginning means
you someday outdo them?

Keep em worried! That way they'll keep on doing their best!
Say thank you to the boy for keeping you on your toes!

Annie





-----Message d'origine-----
De : Sam Sloan <>
Ă€ : <>
Date : lundi 1 octobre 2001 12:28
Objet : Royal Family of Europe


>Royal Family of Europe
>
>I have gone on a binge of making family trees lately and I have just
>made a family tree of all or almost all of the Royal Families of
>Europe combined.
>
>One would have thought that many people had done this and that this
>was commonly available. I certainly did. However, I could not find any
>such thing anywhere on the Internet. Of course, there were a few bits
>and pieces here and there, but I could not find anything satisfactory
>for serious research.
>
>I was reluctant to post what I have come up with, because people on
>the tree I have created are famous. This means that if there are
>errors (and I am sure there are many) everybody will jump on me
>because almost everybody knows something about at least somebody on my
>tree. I wish to be notified of any mistakes, errors and corrections,
>so that I can make corrections before too many others notice it.
>
>There are some really famous and important people on my family tree,
>such as Princess Diana for example. Even some of her in-laws are
>famous and important as well!
>
>Please do blame me entirely for any mistakes. What I started with was
>a jumbled mess. At the same time, I need to be thankful to the
>hundreds of people who have made contributions which have I compiled
>together to create this.
>
>Here are a few of the famous people on my tree. These people are also
>useful as bookmarks to navigate around my tree:
>
>Princess Diana http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg24.htm#65
>Anastasia Romanov, now living in quiet retirement in Beverly Hills
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg25.htm#669
>King Louis XVI of France
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg05.htm#193
>Ivan the Terrible, Czar of Russia
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg05.htm#1932
>William the Conqueror
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg12.htm#2093
>Prince William http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg24.htm#2036C
>Queen Elizabeth I http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg10.htm#909
>
>I am not really up on my Holy Roman Emperors, but I have many of them.
>
>I have complete links from Prince Charles back to the ancestors of
>William the Conqueror and complete links from Czar Nicholas II back to
>the ancestors of Ivan the Terrible, Catherine the Great and Peter the
>Great.
>
>All of these people are related to each other, because of the
>wife-swapping system which went on. For example, the King of England
>would give his daughter to the King of Prussia in exchange for the
>daughter of that king. Because of this process, it is not correct to
>talk about the Royal Families of Europe, because they were all just
>one big not always happy family. (I am not sure how King Zog of
>Albania fit into this, however.)
>
>The index pages are:
>
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx.htm Index Page
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx2.htm Surname List
>http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx3.htm Name Index
>
>I have created a new sub-directory for this family tree, because the
>directory below it contains the same file names but is the family tree
>for Thomas Jefferson and his slaves instead, plus a few American
>Presidents such as Kennedy, Reagan and Baby Bush and Papa Bush.
>
>The Hindu Kush Mountains have been in the news a lot lately, since the
>US Marines are getting ready to land there. My daughter is in the
>Marines and her mother's genealogy can be found in a book entitled
>"Tribes of the Hindu Kush" by John Biddulph, because her mother is
>descended from the Royal Family of Chitral. That genealogy, which I
>copied from "Tribes of the Hindu Kush", is on my website at
>http://www.anusha.com/pafg81.htm#2501
>
>Also I have posted Ronald Reagan's Family Tree at
>http://www.ishipress.com/pafg26.htm#2859
>
>Sam Sloan
>
>

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