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From: (Bryant Smith)
Subject: Re: Royal Family of Europe
Date: 1 Oct 2001 10:57:55 -0700
Welcome aboard Sam!
This appears to be your first posting to the
soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup and I am sure you
will learn a lot from it if you have the patience to
sort out the useful genealogical wheat from the
The first thing I feel you must learn is not to be
discouraged if some of the experts here (of which I
do not pretend to be one) are rough on you when they
catch you out. We dilletantes just must not be afraid
to expose our ignorance here, lest we lose the benefits
I do not wish to discourage you from pursuing your
tree-making hobby, but perhaps even I can give you a
couple of useful pointers.
First let me say that I downloaded your GEDCOM and
imported it into Family Tree Maker, because the
one-generation-at-a-time presentations in your website
make for very tedious examination; and I have only just
taken a couple of glances at the index generated by my
software, and a couple of spot-checks, so I won't pretend
to be sure that what I did *NOT* find in your database isn't
buried somewhere under names I did not think to use. But
anyway, here goes:
After seeing that you used country-names like ENGLAND
and CASTILE&LEON, I assumed that I might find Hungarian
royalty using HUNGARY; but the index had nothing under
HUNGARY, likewise KIEV.
My next step was to check your ancestry for Catherine
Plantagenet, wife of Enrique III of Castile, and I found
-- ZIP!!! Apparently you missed two of John of Gaunt's
wives, one of whom, Constance of Castile, was Catherine's
mother. Constance is a gateway -- by no means the only gateway,
to the royal houses of Hungary & Kiev, and even into the
so-called Byzantine Empire.
So, without searching for errors to jump on, I can say at least
that, like Wednesday's child, you have far to go, if your
ultimate objective is a fully-loaded tree of European royalty.
There are a number of ways you can begin to flesh out your tree.
One of them is to use the Google newsgroups searchable database
with appropriate keywords, and specifying soc.genealogy.medieval
as the group to search. There you will almost certainly stumble
across gems like Todd Farmerie's ahnentafels of Teresa (of Leon)
and El Cid, and loads of descendant tables; and more importantly
they will be in threads in which possible mistakes are questioned and
Another approach would be any one of a number of subscription services,
provided you take what you find with caution and go back to the
experts to verify. I like genserv.com, where you can get an
introductory subscription for just uploading your GEDCOM, and
where even a regular subscription is pretty cheap.
Playa Palo Seco
(Sam Sloan) wrote in message news:<>...
> Royal Family of Europe
> I have gone on a binge of making family trees lately and I have just
> made a family tree of all or almost all of the Royal Families of
> Europe combined.
> One would have thought that many people had done this and that this
> was commonly available. I certainly did. However, I could not find any
> such thing anywhere on the Internet. Of course, there were a few bits
> and pieces here and there, but I could not find anything satisfactory
> for serious research.
> I was reluctant to post what I have come up with, because people on
> the tree I have created are famous. This means that if there are
> errors (and I am sure there are many) everybody will jump on me
> because almost everybody knows something about at least somebody on my
> tree. I wish to be notified of any mistakes, errors and corrections,
> so that I can make corrections before too many others notice it.
> There are some really famous and important people on my family tree,
> such as Princess Diana for example. Even some of her in-laws are
> famous and important as well!
> Please do blame me entirely for any mistakes. What I started with was
> a jumbled mess. At the same time, I need to be thankful to the
> hundreds of people who have made contributions which have I compiled
> together to create this.
> Here are a few of the famous people on my tree. These people are also
> useful as bookmarks to navigate around my tree:
> Princess Diana http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg24.htm#65
> Anastasia Romanov, now living in quiet retirement in Beverly Hills
> King Louis XVI of France
> Ivan the Terrible, Czar of Russia
> William the Conqueror
> Prince William http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg24.htm#2036C
> Queen Elizabeth I http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafg10.htm#909
> I am not really up on my Holy Roman Emperors, but I have many of them.
> I have complete links from Prince Charles back to the ancestors of
> William the Conqueror and complete links from Czar Nicholas II back to
> the ancestors of Ivan the Terrible, Catherine the Great and Peter the
> All of these people are related to each other, because of the
> wife-swapping system which went on. For example, the King of England
> would give his daughter to the King of Prussia in exchange for the
> daughter of that king. Because of this process, it is not correct to
> talk about the Royal Families of Europe, because they were all just
> one big not always happy family. (I am not sure how King Zog of
> Albania fit into this, however.)
> The index pages are:
> http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx.htm Index Page
> http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx2.htm Surname List
> http://www.ishipress.com/royalfam/pafx3.htm Name Index
> I have created a new sub-directory for this family tree, because the
> directory below it contains the same file names but is the family tree
> for Thomas Jefferson and his slaves instead, plus a few American
> Presidents such as Kennedy, Reagan and Baby Bush and Papa Bush.
> The Hindu Kush Mountains have been in the news a lot lately, since the
> US Marines are getting ready to land there. My daughter is in the
> Marines and her mother's genealogy can be found in a book entitled
> "Tribes of the Hindu Kush" by John Biddulph, because her mother is
> descended from the Royal Family of Chitral. That genealogy, which I
> copied from "Tribes of the Hindu Kush", is on my website at
> Also I have posted Ronald Reagan's Family Tree at
> Sam Sloan