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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Faramund [Pharamond] of the West Franks
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:33:23 +0100
References: <20011006.091821.-3942337.0.davteague@juno.com>, <6yGv7.9087$98.45418@news1.rivrw1.nsw.optushome.com.au>


"Hussain de la Croix" ???

Hilarious! : )

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"Hussain de la Croix" <> wrote in message
news:6yGv7.9087$...

| I won't claim to be an expert on the exact "ins and out's" of
genealogic
| history, which I am not. Therefore I cannot comment with relative
accuracy
| as I would like, about the true ancestral nature of Faramund, King of
the
| Franks. However I will say that if he was a "King of the Franks", then
there
| would be the existence of a reigning date, and in this case circa 419
AD to
| 430AD was the time of his reign. It would then be logical to say
"...what
| connection does he have with the next monarch of the Franks?" be it
| inheritable, matrimonial or even won over in battle, there would be
some
| historical evidence to suggest such an occurrence.
|
| How is it that we term him as "...legendary or mythical..."?
|
| And thank you for your input into the correct usage of the title,
"King of
| the Franks"
|
| HM
|
|
|
| "David R Teague" <> wrote in message
| news:...
| > Hussain --
| >
| > If I recall correctly, isn't Faramund generally considered to be
| > legendary or mythical nowadays? If so, that would render discussion
of
| > title(s) irrelevant. His putative descendants, however, (e.g.,
Clovis,
| > et al.) are generally referred to as "King(s) of the Franks" until
the
| > Austrasia / Neustria division took on a bit more permanence during
the
| > 6th Cent.
| >
| > David Teague
| >
| > On Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:18:40 GMT "Hussain de la Croix"
| > <> writes:
| > > Can someone clarify to me, what the correct title for Faramund, of
| > > the West
| > > Franks?
| > >
| > > I have found in books, that he was the Lord of West Franks,
whereas
| > > some
| > > other sources exlaim that he (and members of his family) were the
| > > "Duke of
| > > [West] Franks" or even the Kings of Westphalia. Which is correct;
| > > one, any
| > > or all?
| > >
| > >
| > > HM
| > >
| > > ---------------------------------
| > > Hussain M. de la Croix
| > > ---------------------------------
| > > Das de la Croix'sche Familien Archiv
| > > (The de la Croix Family Archives)
| > > P.O. Box 1091 Bundoora,
| > > Victoria, 3083
| > > AUSTRALIA
| > > AH Email (1):
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