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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: MOTHER OF HENRY, 2ND BARON FERRERS OF GROBY
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 03:12:24 +0100
References: <012b01c154ed$97af1260$f9ebfea9@ccqn801>, <002301c15514$31d2f3e0$f9ebfea9@ccqn801>
Interesting and Instructive.
I concur with your conclusion. People are often sloppy when they cite
sources. "Don't sweat the small stuff" ---- they were taught. <g>
Some folks like that have been manning those security scanning machines
at the airports. Bad Rice.
1. CP V:332 is the wrong Ferrers Family.
2. CP V Chart [after page 334, not 332] is for Ferrers of Chartley not
Ferrers of Groby.
3. CP V:343-344 is the correct citation for Sir William de Ferrers, 1st
Lord Ferrers of Groby. But there is no second wife noted, just Ellen,
"said to have been daughter of Sir John de Segrave" ---- et cetera, as I
previously reported. Vide infra.
4. CP XI:605-608 is the entry for John de Segrave, 2nd Lord Segrave.
It mentions his wife, "Christiane de Plessis". I don't see any mention
of a daughter, Ellen, although I gave it only a quick reading.
Thanks for pointing this out to us.
May I ask who gave you this bollixed series of citations? <g>
Cheers and Aloha
"Genealogy is an infinite binary series ---- both regressively and
progressively ---- propagated by means of a terminal, sexually
transmitted disease, producing a 100% death rate ---- which we call
Life." [DSH] -- 4 June 1997
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Vires et Honor.
"Allen John Mallory" <> wrote in message
| My source was CP, 5:332 chart, 343-344, 11:605-608. (I guess this
underscores the importance my reading the sources myself, and not just
blindly accepting another persons references). Sorry.
| Allen John Mallory
| Danbury, Connecticut
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
| To: <>
| Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 4:42 PM
| Subject: Re: MOTHER OF HENRY, 2ND BARON FERRERS OF GROBY
| What leads you to think that Sir William de Ferrers, 1st Baron Ferrers
| de Groby, had two wives?
| According to CP V:344, his wife was Ellen, who is said to have been
| daughter of Sir John de Segrave of Chacombe, Northants [Lord Segrave],
| by Christine, daughter of Sir Hugh de Plessy, of Hooknorton and
| Kidlington, Oxon. Ellen was living, 9 Feb 1316/1317.
| CP Volume XIV offers no corrections or additions.
| Again, whence cometh this alleged second wife of the 1st Baron Ferrers
| de Groby ---- do you have a source?
| Cheers and Aloha.
| D. Spencer Hines
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| Vires et Honor.
| "Allen John Mallory" <> wrote in message
| | Henry de Ferrers (1294-1343), 2nd Baron of Groby, was the son of
| William de Ferrers, 1st Baron of Groby. Which wife of William was
| Henry's mother?
| | Allen John Mallory
| | Danbury, Connecticut