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From: Cristopher Nash <c@windsong.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: MOTHER OF HENRY, 2ND BARON FERRERS OF GROBY
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 03:53:58 +0100
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> I show the mother as Ellen de Segrave, m. before 20 Mar 1303 to Sir
>William de Ferrers, lst Lord Ferrers (of Groby).
>
> She was the daughter of Sir John de Segrave (d. bef Oct 1325) of
>Chaucombe, 2nd Lord Segrave, by Christine du Plessy.
>
> See CP under Ferrers (Groby), Segrave and du Plescy/du Plessy.

CP V ('Ferrers of Groby'), 340-42, says that William's wives are
"Anne, said to have been da. of Sir Hugh le Despenser, of Ryhall,
Rutland, Loughborough, co. Leicester, Parlington, co. York, &c....by
Aline, da. & h. of Sir Philip Basset, of Wycombe, Bucks &c.....He m.,
2ndly, Alianor, da of Sir Matthew de Lovaine, of Little Easton,
Essex" (this Alianor being the subject of a recent posting under
another header) - but does not name any daughter. He is claimed by
Hervey [GLANVILLE] (1882) and CP V ('Grey of Codnor/Ruthin/Wilton'
etc), 173-74, to have or 'be said to' have a da. Anne who m. John de
Grey of Wilton & Ruthin (b. 1268, d.1323).

There is some good reason (obviously onomastic if no other) for
thinking that if there was such a daughter Anne she would have been a
child of the first marriage. But has anyone seen clear evidence of
this Anne de Ferrers and her m. to John de Grey? This - on the Grey
side - is a notoriously perplexed corner of the geneal history of the
period. E.g. CP II ('Basset of Drayton'), 2-3, says that the wife of
Reynold Grey of Ruthin is Anne da of William de Ferrers of Groby,
Leicestershire.

Thanks for any help.

Cris
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