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From: (Brad Verity)
Subject: Re: Joan (Mowbray?) Gray Tunstall
Date: 17 Oct 2001 11:38:11 -0700
Douglas and Chris,
Thank you for the further info on the M.I. of Henry Gray. It's very
enlightening - we now know he was not a knight, and that he was
probably the third (not the youngest) son of Sir Thomas Gray and Joan
I'm wondering about Joan's second husband, Sir Thomas Tunstall, and
whether she might have had further children by him. If she was born
in 1368, which is very likely, she would have been 32 when she was
widowed in 1400, so it would be chronologically possible for her to
have had further issue with Sir Thomas Tunstall.
Has there been any research on her second husband? I've come across
this entry in CP's articles on the Lords Darcy, specifically Sir
Philip Darcy, 6th Lord Darcy:
"She [Alianore, da. of Sir Henry FitzHugh, Lord FitzHugh] m., 2ndly
(pardon for marrying without the King's consent, 18 Feb. 1426/7, Sir
Thomas Tunstall, of Thurland, co. Lancaster." CP's source for this is
"Patent Roll, 5 Hen. VI, p.1, m.6."
Alianore FitzHugh Darcy Tunstall's third husband was Sir Henry
Brounflete, Lord Vessy. After her death, William Tunstall, Esq. - one
of her younger sons by Sir Thomas Tunstall - sued Lord Vessy, claiming
that on his marriage to their mother, Lord Vessy had agreed to provide
1,000 marks to the two younger sons and two daughters of Sir Thomas
Tunstall and Alianore.
So, it seems this Sir Thomas Tunstall of Thurland had five surviving
children by Alianore FitzHugh Darcy, three sons and two daughters.
The eldest son, Sir Richard Tunstall, is described in an IPM for his
mother (who died 30 Sep. 1457) as follows: "Et dicunt ulterius quod
Ricardus Tunstall' miles est filius et heres propinquior ejusdem
Alianore et est etatis triginta [et duorum--except co. Middlesex]
annorum et amplius."
I don't know Latin - can anyone translate? I believe it states his
age, which helps with Tunstall chronology.
My question is can Alianore, Lady Darcy's second husband, Sir Thomas
Tunstall of Thurland, have been the son of Joan Mowbray Gray by her
second husband Sir Thomas Tunstall? If Lady Darcy and Sir Thomas
married in 1426, and Joan Mowbray married her Sir Thomas Tunstall in
1402 or so, it seems possible chronologically for them to be the
Any input is welcome! Best regards, -------Brad Verity