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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: King John & Arthur
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 21:51:58 +0800
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I understood that young Arthur was castrated and died from that 'operation'.
I doubt King John would have done that himself.
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:15 AM
Subject: King John & Arthur
> Actually, King John may very well have killed young Arthur himself ----
> El Pollo Loco.
> Deus Vult.
> "You're the top! - You're Miss Pinkham's tonic. - You're the top! -
> You're a high colonic. You're the burning heat of a bridal suite in
> use. - You're the breasts of Venus, You're King Kong's penis, You're
> self-abuse. - You're an arch - In the Rome collection. - You're the
> starch - In a groom's erection. - I'm a eunuch who - Has just been
> through an op, But if, baby, I'm the bottom - You're the top." - [Famous
> parody often attributed to Cole Porter, Yale '13 - 1934, but reportedly
> actually written by Irving Berlin.]
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> D. Spencer Hines
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> Vires et Honor.
> "Bryant Smith" <> wrote in message
> | Congratulations!
> | I'm glad you were not offended.
> | Some of us have had the good [?] luck to find any
> | number of the so-called "Sureties" of Magna Carta
> | hanging in their trees. Never mind that they were
> | traitors and perjurers who conspired with Philippe-
> | August of France to put the Dauphin on the throne of
> | England and make a French province of their country.
> | Others may have found the regicides of Edward II or
> | of Charles I. Others (including myself)have found
> | William de Braose (ca. 1193 - 1211), allegedly (but
> | not proven to be) the murderer of Arthur (son of
> | Geoffrey, John's older brother) hanging there.
> | Alongside such villains, what difference does the
> | occasional horse thief make? (Theft of a horse was,
> | by the way, a hanging offense in our Old West, here
> | in the States.)
> | Saludos
> | Bryant Smith
> | Playa Palo Seco
> | Costa Rica