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From: "Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr." <>
Subject: Re: TRUE and TESTED FACTS; (was re: Children of Zedekiah).
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:20:26 -0800
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Records and evidence come forth
from time to time that shed
further light and knowledge on
ancient genealogy record sources.
The Greek and Latin Inscriptions
of Caesarea Maritima, c. 2000 by
the American Schools of Oriental
Research, by Clayton Miles Lehmann
and Kenneth G. Holum, includes on
page 67, #43, dated 31-36,
"Pontius Pilate Dedicates a
Building for Tiberius". This book
includes fragments of families
from primary sources dating into
the early Medieval period.

In like manner, Philip Freeman,
c. 2001 [2000], has written:
Ireland and the Classical World;
University of Texas Press, Austin.
[This book, the first ever written
on relations between Ireland and
the classical world, is an
interdisciplinary study of all
evidence linking early Ireland
to the civilized lands of the
Mediterranean during antiquity.]

[Freeman's analysis of all these
sources reveals that Ireland was
known to the Greeks and Romans
for hundreds of years and that
Mediterranean goods and even
travelers found their way to
Ireland, while the Irish at least
occasionally visited, traded,
and raided in Roman lands.]

Ora Maritima, written in the fourth
century A.D. by the Roman Avienus,
incorporated information from the sixth
century B.C. sailing manual called the
Massiliot Periplus. Sea journeys were
made by Tartessan and Carthaginian
merchant venturers from southern Iberia,
northwards to Brittany, Albion [Britain]
and Ireland in order to trade with the

[From here it is a two-day voyage to the
Sacred Isle, for by this name the ancients
called the island. It lies rich in turf among
the waves, thickly populated by the Hierni.
Nearby lies the island of the Albiones.
The Tartessians were accustomed to
trade even to the edge of the
Oestrymnides. The Carthaginian
colonists and people around the Pillars
of Hercules frequented these waters.
Four months scarcely is enough for
the voyage, as Himilco the Carthaginian
proved by sailing there and back
himself.] Rufius Festus Avienus claims
he is revealing information recorded by
Himilco in the annals of the Carthaginians.

The Irish Nation in this time period also kept
annals that survived in part and were handed
down, generation by generation. Additionally,
Ezekiel, a major Hebrew prophet
of the 6th century B.C. [author of the
Book of Ezekiel], in Chapter 27, verse
12, a Lament over Tyrus: "Tarshish
was thy merchant by reason of the
multitude of all kind of riches; with
silver, iron, tin and lead, they traded
in thy fairs." Validation is thus made
of an interconnecting link to Jewish
merchants and the previously
established European-wide network
of bronze exchange.

This goes back to King Solomon,
who had at sea a navy of Tharshish
with the navy of Hiram [King of Tyre,
the capital of ancient Phoenicia]: once
in three years came the navy of
Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver,
ivory and apes, and peacocks.

[Strabo (3.5.11) relates that the Carthaginians
had a monopoly on trade with Cassiterides,
or "Tin Isles", of the Atlantic, though this trade
may have been through intermediaries.] In the
North Atlantic, the most prominent intermediary
would have been the capable sailors in the ships
of the Veneti, Celts on the coastline of Gaul; the
same region of northwestern France that Laigain
or Laigin Tribes from Armorica came to displace
local tribes with settlements in what is now defined
as Leinster; estimates to 300 B.C.; the "pirates"
on the pedigree line of Ugaine Mor.

Nigel Spivey mentions in Etruscan Art,
published 1997, that when Aristotle
was composing his Politics, around the
middle of the fourth century B.C.,
he referred his Greek audience to the
example of the Carthaginians and the
Etruscans. 'These peoples', he notes,
'have agreements about imports and
exports; treaties to ensure rightful
conduct of trade; and written pacts
of alliance for mutual defence.'
They did not interfere in each other's
internal affairs. The purpose of their
bilateral agreements was to further
reciprocal benefit from commerce;
non-aggression treaties were a natural
part of that end (Politics 1280 a-b).

The issue was an Irish fleet in the
Mediterranean during the Punic Wars.
The idea presented was that historical
evidence verified Celtic trading
relationships going back to the time
of Alexander the Great. Both of these
concepts were related to Ugaine Mor,
married to a daughter of the ruler
of the Gauls; connected to the Punic
Wars by design (hair), pedigree
(elephant) and Atlantic coastal ship

barbary ape skull dated to the last
few centuries B.C. was unearthed 5
kilometers southwest of Armagh at
the site of Navan, also known as
Emain Macha, famous in early Irish
literature as the capital of the
Ulaid (Ptolemy's Woluntioi).]

Similar to the Navy cargo of King
Solomon of Israel, [The barbary ape
was native to north Africa and thus
indicates at least indirect trade
routes connecting Ireland and the
western Mediterranean in the centuries
before Roman advances into the British
Isles. {3} Four small bronze figurines
in the National Museum in Dublin dating
from the second to first centuries B.C.
also indicate early trade between Italy
and Ireland. The four include an
Etruscan warrior found in County
Roscommon, a robed Etruscan figure from
County Sligo, and two Hercules figures
of unspecified provenience.]

The core assertion stands from both
ends of the portion of the pedigree
under consideration. Ugaine Mor
combined Irish forces with Carthage
and fought against the Romans in Sicily.

Again, Stewart Baldwin notes:
[starting in the eighth century,
a very artificial scheme was
created in which all of the major
Irish dynasties were allegedly
the direct male line descendants
of the same line (the "Milesians").
Numerous artificial relationships
were created between various families,
with eighth century politics being
the most important factor.]

The records themselves indicate a
structure connecting genealogies
directly back to Noah, outside
of the House of Judah (the Jews),
or of anything to do with the man
Abraham or the House of Israel.
"[E]ighth century politics [was]
. . . the most important factor"
for their "literary inspiration".

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Genealogy and Family History Internet Web Directory
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Todd A. Farmerie wrote:

>"Chris & Tom Tinney, Sr." wrote:
>>The evidence for Tamar Tephi is the underlying
>>Jewish pattern. The story matches the story
>>of Esther and Mordecai, . . .
>>Similarities in Irish history and Jewish
>>history are clearly identified . . .
>>The Paul C. Reed "fictional" Tamar Tephi
>>is part of a Jewish Biblical pattern within
>>the Irish pedigree itself.
>>[NOTE: This follows a pattern between
>>Hebrew non veneration of groves and trees
>>and replacement (killed) by Conmaol.
>And Hamlet follows a pattern also found in Greek mythology. That
>neither proves that Hamlet was a Greek, nor that he actually
>existed. That Irish priests presented a story analogous to one
>found in the Bible can be simply explained by the hypothesis that
>Irish priests were familiar with the Bible (drawing on it for
>literary inspiration), hardly an earth-shattering conclusion, and
>certainly far short of any kind of evidence for genealogical

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