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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: William de Braose / Robert Morley (was Re: King John & Arthur)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 21:27:46 -0700
References: <9f8c04d24a.tim@southfrm.demon.co.uk>, <01c801c162f7$0c254da0$6ed486c2@xs4all.nl>
"B.M. Kamp" wrote:
>
> According to Burke's Extinct Peerage John and Margaret had another William
> who died 1290 and was married to Isabel de Clare (the Clare tabel in the
> Europäische Stammtafeln do not mention this Isabel). Their son was William
> de Braose Baron of Gower +1322 who married Aliva da of Thomas de Moulton,
> leaving two daughters :
> Burke mentions two daughters:
> - Aliva x John de Mowbray xx Sir Richard de Pershall
> - Joan x John de Bohun of Midhurst (no second marriage in Burke's Extinct
> Peerages)
>
> The second daughter is apparently identical with Joan de Braose who married
> secondly
> Sir Richard Foliot, of Gressenhall and Weasenham, co. Norfolk; 2nd Lord
> Foliot; d. before 23 Jul 1317 (see Therav3's posting of 27 June 2001
> Trente-deux Quartiers of Robert Morley, son of Thomas, 4th Lord Morley). The
> second marriage of Joan with Richard Foliot is mentioned in the Bohun of
> Midhurst Table in the Europäische Stanmtafeln, where her marraige to Foliot
> is dated soon after 16 Sept 1310.
Burke's is somewhat confused here. See CP, 2:302-4 (Breuse,
Brewes, or Brewose). John and Margaret had son William, who
married first, Aline, daughter of Thomas de Multon. He m. second
Agnes de Moels, and third Mary de Ros. He d. 1290.
His son and heir by Aline was named William, and he must have
married twice. His widow, Elizabeth de Sully, was NOT the mother
of his two daughters and coheiresses, implying a prior marriage.
His daughters were Aline, m.1 John de Mowbray, m.2 Richard de
Peshale; and Joan, m.1 James de Bohun, m.2 Richard Foliot.
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