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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: Medieval incest taboos (was re: off-topic stuff)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:10:07 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <ntaylor-1611011956290001@mid-tgn-ngm-vty7.as.wcom.net>


The Stevens-Southworth-Medieval-Database. Don't have the
URL handy but that much should let you find it with a
search engine. I would not place great stock in it - the
younger Stevens, Luke, had his own site going for awhile
which was based on the Biblical "begats". If I didn't get
that thing on Faileuba from Wagner, I'm not sure where it
came from. In any case, if it is untrue, it will not serve
very well as an example!

I have had to use the library to find Wagner and I do
recall one amazing chart in his book that I would love to
get ahold of at the moment which purports to show a
connection by marriage between the European aristocracy and
Kublai Khan. It's difficult to get to the library these
days and so if you happen to have a copy of that page (or
if someone else does) I would greatly appreciate a copy.
It's for my brother - I find weird stuff for him that
pertains to our shared pedigree even if it is demonstrably
untrue. I enjoy the quirky pedigrees that pop up from time
to time and find the reasons for their existence to be as
interesting as the real pedigrees. Just different. Good
thoughts, Bronwen Edwards




--- Nathaniel Taylor <> wrote:
> In article
> <>,
> (Arthur Murata) wrote:
>
> >I was thinking of one specific example which was
> >also a "mixed" marriage of sorts. If I recall correctly,
> >this was from "Pedigree and Progress" by Wagner and
> >possibly a little bit from the Southworth website (for
> >Brunhilda's mother only).
> >
> >I have that Childebert II, King of the Franks in
> Burgundy
> >(c. 570-assassinated 595) married his half-sister,
> >Faileuba. Their father was Siegebert I, King of the
> Franks
> >(c. 535-assassinated 575).
> >
> >The mother of Childebert II was an unnamed mistress.
> >The mother of Faileuba was Brunhilda, Regent of the
> >Austrasian Franks (k. c. 613); she was the daughter of
> >Athanagild, King of the Visigoths (d. c. 567) and
> >Golswinth.
>
> Thanks. Settipani's authoritative _Prhistoire des
> Captiens_ shows
> Brunhild to be the mother of all of Sigibert's attested
> children,
> including Childebert II and two or three daughters (see
> his extended
> discussion of an unnamed wife of duke Chrodoald). He
> says of Faileuba,
> wife of Childebert II, that there is no source which
> reveals anything on
> her origin.
>
> I don't find this in _Pedigree & Progress_, but I don't
> have the book (and
> its index) handy--only some photocopied portions,
> including the chapter
> 'Bridges to Antiquity' and the attendant charts. Chart
> 27 shows
> Childebert II & Faileuba, but doesn't show her as a
> half-sister of her
> husband.
>
> So: still looking for brother-sister marriages. My guess
> is that there
> won't be any found which are unequivocal (some may be
> genealogists'
> guesses).
>
> What's the 'Southworth' website you name?
>
> Nat Taylor
>


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