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From: "Rafal T. Prinke" <>
Subject: Re: Polish illegitimate
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:09:02 +0100


"Pavel Pokorný" <> wrote:

> > BTW: There were also illegitimate children of Sigismund
> > the Old and descents for some of them can be traced for 2-3
> > generations.
>
> Do you mean 2-3 generations in male line, or 2-3 generations
> generally?
>
> The latter would not be good news for me as quite a lot of Czech
> higher nobility claims descent from Katarzyna, daughter of
> Zygmunt Stary (by Katarzyna Telniczanka??) and wife of Georg III.
> Graf von Montfort...

Well... no good news :-)

Zygmunt I Stary [the Old] (1647-1548)
x Katarzyna Telniczanka ["de Thelnicz", from Telnitz in Moravia],
(aft1480-1528), her real name was probably Ochstat, a burgher
family later living in Olomunc

1. Jan "of Lithuanian dukes" (1499-1538), legit. by Pope 1510,
bishop of Poznań

2. Regina (1500/1501-1527) x Hieronim Szafraniec of Pieskowa
Skala (bef1502-1556), starosta of Checiny

a. Katarzyna Szafraniec x (1) Andrzej Jasienski, x (2) Remigian
Chelmski

(1) Remigian Chelmski

b. Anna Szafraniec x Mikolaj Kreza

(1) Jan Kreza x N Sanguszko

(a) Urszula Kreza x Krzysztof Odrowaz Strasz
(b) Aleksander Kreza (d. 1625), dsp

(2) Jakub Kreza

(3) Marcin Kreza

(a) Piotr Kreza, dsp

(4) Katarzyna Kreza

(5) Anna Kreza

c. Zuzanna Szafraniec, probably dsp

3. Katarzyna (c1503-bef1549) x Jerzy count de Montfort (bef1482-1544)

a. Jan count de Montfort, dsp
b. Jakub count de Montfort x Katarzyna countess Fugger
c. Herman IV count de Montfort x Sara von Schaerfenberg
d. Krystyna de Montfort x Krzysztof von Losenstein

Best regards,

Rafal

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