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From: Sam Sloan <>
Subject: RE: Gods, Graves and Adventurous Scholars
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:50:10 -0500
References: <3.0.6.32.20011203140216.007e5870@ishipress.com>
In-Reply-To: <20011204085036.41393.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com>


At 05:50 AM 12/4/2001 -0300, Francisco Antonio Doria wrote:
>
>Sorry, Sam. I'm *not* going to extend this thread,
>because it's not genealogical, but I was there, at the
>dig, with Henry de Lumley, his wife Marie-Antoinette,
>and my friend and colleague Maria Beltrão. I saw a
>tool (a fossil portion of the bone of a horse, clearly
>broken by human effort) be found in situ. These things
>were later dated at three independent labs (one in the
>US, another one in France, and the third in Israel)
>and they all gave similar dates - around 300,000 yrs
>b.P.
>
>Stone tools were also found, of Olduwayan type - de
>Lumley was proudly exhibiting one of them to everybody
>in the team - and the level where those items were
>found had enough organic material to allow for
>datation (transuranic, because C_14 doesn't work at
>this time depth.
>
>Finally, one of the tools was a quartzite tool, in a
>limestone cave - how was it carried in there? No
>quartite in a 40 mi radius. In the beak of a bird?
>
>The whole thing was published in the _Comptes Rendus
>de l'Académie des Sciences de Paris_, around 1988 or
>89. Please go there for details.
>
>chico
>

You may be right, but if so, these findings have clearly not been accepted
by the scientific community.

It is now considered to be a great discovery to find tools in Africa made
70,000 years ago. If tools were found to have been made in South America
300,000 years ago, that would turn anthropology upside down. That would
mean that modern man evolved in South America and came from there to the
rest of the world.

Sam Sloan

>--- Sam Sloan <> escreveu: > It is
>fairly well established that modern man
>> capable of making tools
>> evolved less than 100,000 years ago.
>>
>>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/02/science/social/02BONE.html
>>
>> While it is possible that Modern Man spread far more
>> rapidly than anybody
>> now thinks, it is certainly not true that they
>> reached South America
>> 300,000 years ago.
>>
>> Regarding Easter Island, it is reasonably clear what
>> happened. Adventurous
>> young Polynesians paddled off in various directions
>> hoping to find an
>> island, rather like sperm swimming in every
>> direction possible trying to
>> reach an ovum. Many of those Polynesians no doubt
>> were lost and died in the
>> ocean when they could not find land. The ocean
>> currents did not permit them
>> to return in the direction from which they came.
>> Those few who reached
>> Easter Island were stranded. They could not return.
>> They had nowhere to go,
>> so they started carving statues to their gods out of
>> the top edge of the
>> volcano. The population of Easter Island is believed
>> to have reached 11,000
>> at its peak. There were only a few survivors left
>> when the island was
>> recently "discovered".
>>
>> No serious scientist believes that Easter Island was
>> colonized by South
>> American Indians. The Kon-Tiki theory is just
>> nonsense. However, many think
>> it might have gone the other way. Those brave
>> Polynesians who colonized
>> Easter Island could easily have reached the South
>> American mainland as
>> well. DNA tests are being done on this hypothesis.
>>
>> Sam Sloan
>>
>>
>> At 06:37 AM 12/3/2001 -0300, Francisco Antonio
>> Doria wrote:
>> >
>> >This has to do with the remarks below on the
>> supposed
>> >errors of Thor Heyerdahl: I am a consultant to a
>> major
>> >Brazilian archeologist (with all due international
>> >honors). I'm not an archeologist myself, but
>> certainly
>> >have some knowledge of the field.
>> >
>> >First: Thor Heyerdahl did his trip, didn't he?
>> >
>> >Second: nothing is conclusive about archeology in
>> >South America. Beware of dogmatic positions. The
>> only
>> >thing that may be taken as certain is that
>> Hrlidcka's
>> >population limit of 11,000 ys B.C. doesn't hold
>> (I've
>> >been to a site, explored by my friend and by Henry
>> de
>> >Lumley, that has been dated 300,000 ys B.C. by both
>> >Americans and European laboratories).
>> >
>> >So, let's go very carefully in this area.
>> >
>> >chico
>> >
>> >
>> >--- Phil Moody <> escreveu: >
>> >Sam Sloan wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Now, he says that he has made a big discovery
>> that
>> >> there were Vikings near
>> >> the Sea of Azov. There is nothing new in that. It
>> >> has long been known that
>> >> the Vikings sailed down the Volga River and
>> reached
>> >> the Black Sea and
>> >> Istanbul. There are Viking inscriptions and rock
>> >> carvings in Istanbul. The
>> >> rivers across Russia nearly connect, so by
>> sailing
>> >> up one river from the
>> >> Baltic Ocean, crossing just a few miles by land
>> and
>> >> sailing down another
>> >> river to the Black Sea, it was am easy journey
>> from
>> >> Sweden to Istanbul.
>> >> Everybody knows that.
>> >>
>> >> PLM: Yes, another clever conspiracy theory I see,
>> >> Sam:-) Am I to infer then
>> >> Sam, that you are suggesting that the
>> Scandinavians
>> >> brought these 2nd
>> >> century artifacts with them from Scandinavia and
>> >> buried them around the Sea
>> >> of Azov a thousand years after the fact, as a
>> time
>> >> capsule, perhaps? This
>> >> would be an astonishing example of foresight on
>> the
>> >> their part really; I
>> >> mean how could they know that many people would
>> >> think Snorre was writing
>> >> rubbish, a thousand years later and so they
>> cleverly
>> >> plant these ancient
>> >> artifacts to bolster the work of their greatest
>> >> writer:-) This has to be the
>> >> most cunningly executed bit of PR I have ever
>> heard
>> >> of.
>> >> Saxo also points to the same general area and
>> >> actually names Byzantium,
>> >> which did not exist during Odin's day; so Snorre
>> >> does not deserve all the
>> >> credit, as the Reuters piece would have us
>> believe.
>> >>
>> >> Best Wishes,
>> >> Phil
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Sam Sloan [mailto:]
>> >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 11:30 PM
>> >> To:
>> >> Subject: RE: Gods, Graves and Adventurous
>> Scholars
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: [mailto:]
>> >> >Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 3:37 PM
>> >> >To:
>> >> >Subject: Gods, Graves and Adventurous Scholars
>> >> >
>> >> >Thor Heyerdalhl is still active and still trying
>> to
>> >> upset scientific
>> >> >opinion.
>> >> >See the news release below. Both Snorri and
>> Saxo
>> >> assumed that Odhinn was
>> >> an
>> >> >real king and was written up into a god later.
>> Of
>> >> course, we do not know
>> >> >this
>> >> >to be true or untrue. It is unknown how Russian
>> >> archaelogy could solve the
>> >> >problem ... probably it can't ... but the latest
>> >> news to the masses is
>> >> >reprinted below. - Ken
>> >>
>> >> Thor Heyerdahl is still active and he is still a
>> >> quack.
>> >>
>> >> His Kontiki theory which made him famous was
>> >> nonsense. Easter Island was
>> >> colonized by Polynesians from the South Pacific,
>> not
>> >> by South American
>> >> Indians. The ocean currents simply do not run
>> that
>> >> way.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.samsloan.com/easter.htm
>> >>
>> >> Now, he says that he has made a big discovery
>> that
>> >> there were Vikings near
>> >> the Sea of Azov. There is nothing new in that. It
>> >> has long been known that
>> >> the Vikings sailed down the Volga River and
>> reached
>> >> the Black Sea and
>> >> Istanbul. There are Viking inscriptions and rock
>> >> carvings in Istanbul. The
>> >> rivers across Russia nearly connect, so by
>> sailing
>> >> up one river from the
>> >> Baltic Ocean, crossing just a few miles by land
>> and
>> >> sailing down another
>> >> river to the Black Sea, it was am easy journey
>> from
>> >> Sweden to Istanbul.
>> >> Everybody knows that.
>>
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