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From: (MichaelAnne Guido)
Subject: Re: Reginald Basset of Wolvey, co. Warwick
Date: 7 Jan 2002 19:20:56 -0800
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"Robert O'Connor" <> wrote in message news:<a1b9ng$mke$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>...
> <He was evidently a younger brother of Thomas de Clinton, of
> > Armington, co. Warwick (d. bef 1264),
>
> Can you give a reference for this statement??
>
> Thanks
> Robert O'Connor

Dear Robert, John, Rosie, etal.,

I want to thank all of you for your fantasic findings and help with
this difficult lineage.

Robert, the first source I could find on the Ancestry of James de
Clinton was:

Rev. Henry Norris,Baddesley Clinton, London, 1897, pages 6-7:

Here the Clinton line is given as:

William de Villa Tancredi, Chamberlain of Normandy married Maud,
daughter of William de Arches.

Their second son Renebald had two sons, Galfrid and William. William
had a son Osbert [called de Clinton] who possessed land in Coleshill,
co. Warwick. He married Margaret de Hatton, daughter of William de
Hatton the son of Hugh de Hatton founder of Wroxhall Priory.

Note: The Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1226, edited by Emma T.
Mason,London, 1980, Pipe Roll Society vol. 81 NS, page xlii:

Hatton and Beausale were held of the earldom of Warwick. In 1221,
Magery of Hatton and her second husband John d'Abetot quitclaimed the
land in Hatton to Roger of Charlecote whose descendants consolidated
their interests there. Thomas de Clinton her grandson by her first
marriage mortgaged his lands in Beausale to Hamo l'Estraunge who in
1270 sold his lands in Hatton and Beausale to William de Beauchamp,
earl of Warwick.

Their son Osbert on August 26, 1207 obtained the right of weekly
market for Coleshill, and a two days fair to be held on the feast of
Sts. Peter and Paul. He married Elysont who is recorded as his relict
in 1232.

Their eldest son was Sir Thomas de Clinton of Coleshill who married
Mazera, daughter and heiress of James de Bisege, lord of Baddesley and
his wife Matilda. The issue of this marriage was five sons the eldest
was Thomas of Amington, near Tamworth, whose son John was summoned as
a baron Februry 6, 1298/9 and came into posession of Maxstoke, co.
Warwick by his marriage with Ida, eldest daughter and coheir of
William de Odingsells. John, the second son possesed Coleshill. He
was an adherent of the barons who held Kenilworth against the king
(Henry III)in 1266. His effigy was still present in 1897 in Coleshill
church. Walter the third son was rector of Austrey in 1253. Osbert
the fourth son was still living in 1271 when his brother John de
Clinton sent him trespassing into the royal forest of Canoc ( Forest
Pleas, Michaelmas, 55 Henry III).

James de Clinton was the fifth and youngest son of Sir Thomas de
Clinton and his wife Mazera de Bisege was apportioned the lands of his
mother in Badesley, subject however to the payment of one penny to hs
father and heirs.

The IPM of Thomas de Clinton, Cal. of Inquistions Post Mortem, Vol.
II, pages 143-144, #245:

This reveals that Thomas de Clinton of Amington died before his father
and left a son John aged 20. His wife Mazera had land in Ullestorp,
co. Leicester as her maritagium and John de Clinton [the grandson and
heir] was in the wardship of Roger de Mowbray on June 6, 1278.

The next quetion is the Bisege line. In response to John about the
date of ca. 1250 for Ralph de Bisege the following exists so either
the date is wrong in the transcription or Ralph Bisege lived a very
long life.

The Harvard Law School library possesses the original of this deed
which is sealed with the Equestrian seal of Ralph de Bisege and the
legend SIGILL'. RADULFI DE BISECHE. According to the library the deed
is dated ca. 1250.

Grant- Baddesley, Warwickshire

Grant by Ralph de Bisege to Alan son of Alexander of one carucate of
land in Badesleye for his homage and service and for 40s. in hand,
namely that land which was given to Alexander de Rokinton with Ysabele
the grantor's aunt in free marriage, at a yearly rent of 2s.to wit
12d. at St. Andrew and 12d. at St. Peter ad Vincula.

According to Norris the Bisege line began with Walter de Bisege who
was granted land in Baddesley by Roger de Mowbray beween 1100-1135.

Walter de Bisege must have had a sister Isabel who married Alexander
de Rokinton and they had issue a son Alan de Rokinton.

Walter had a son Ralph de Bisege who was the grantor of the above
deed. Ralph de Bisege had a son James who married Matilda and they had
a daughter Mazera de Bisege who married Sir Thomas de Clinton.

Any thoughts on the Bisege chronology?

MichaelAnne

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