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From: Cristopher Nash <c@windsong.u-net.com>
Subject: Re: A New Bohun Daughter Discovered
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:42:55 +0000
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John P Ravilious <> wrote on Friday, 11 January, 2001
in response to Douglas Richardson

> Certainly sounds convincing. Now the only question (!?) is
>probably, which Humphrey [de Bohun]? More on that in a moment.

Yes, as you can guess I've been hoping we'd get back to this question
(which you'll recall my raising at the start with speculation as to
whether it's he who m. Eleanor de Braose and, if so, the implications
e.g. re Roesia's petitions against Roger de Quency). I'll just note
here that Hagger quite explicitly calls Theobald's wife Matilda de
Bohun (pp. 110, 219, and chart p. 16, citing PRO, C134/14/19 and
CalIPM vol. 5, no. 187), and says that Bisley (along with Saffron
Walden) "had been gained on [Theobald's] marriage to Matilda de Bohun
which had taken place by 1274" [citing loc. cit. and Jnl of Wm Salt
6/1, p. 106]. Not having looked at these I realize that Hagger may
confuse the names of the wives of this Theobald and his son Theobald
II (who m. Matilda, da. of Edmund Mortimer of Wigmore), though why he
would have consistently repeated it I'm still less sure. But I do
have the sense that the history of the Bohuns' possession of Bisley
may be as you say, John, but perhaps still a bit more complex, to
become clearer when we've sorted the Humphreys. We may end up
thoroughly Haggerd but Bohun companions for sure.

And please forgive my having let your latest developments on
Wingfield/Brews go so far unanswered; they've been far from
uncelebrated, and you cn be sure I'll be back!

Cris
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