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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: American Religious Freedom
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:05:05 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <0Nm08.1799$H_3.77475@eagle.america.net>


By (fill in the blank)! We actually agree on something! Can
you stand it? :>>>> Bronwen




--- "D. Spencer Hines" <>
wrote:
> Yes, Human Nature.
>
> The Oppressed turn into Oppressors.
>
> Israelis, for example.
>
> Original Sin.
>
> Deus Vult.
>
> "Much have I travelled in the realms of gold, And many
> goodly states and
> kingdoms seen; Round many western islands have I been,
> Which bards in
> fealty to Apollo hold." -- John Keats [1795-1821] --
> Poems [1817] -- "On
> First Looking Into Chapman's Homer"
>
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
> good men to do
> nothing." -- Attributed to Edmund Burke [1729-1797]
>
> All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
>
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> expressly
> given, in writing.
> ----------
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Vires et Honor
>
> "Renia" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> | The rise of Papism under Charles I was not condusive to
> sectarian
> worship and
> | during that period many people left England for
> American shores to
> escape papal
> | doctrine. But I have read somewhere, that in America,
> most of the
> sects were
> | even more intolerant of other sects than papism had
> been of them,
> which caused
> | some friction such as JSG describes below.
> |
> | Renia
> |
> | John Steele Gordon wrote:
> |
> | > "Bryant Smith" <> wrote in message
> | >
> news:...
> | > > (Arthur Murata) wrote in
> message
> | >
>
news:<>...
> | > > > "Religious freedom" is what we Americans are
> taught in
> | > > > grade school but it is largely a fairy tale since
> it
> | > > > applied to only a miniscule percentage of
> immigrants.
> | > > > Certainly, Granted, there are notable exceptions
> -
> | > > > Anabaptists, Mormons, Puritans, etc. but they
> account for
> | > > > only a few of millions who came to America. Best,
> Bronwen
> | > > >
> | > > The "Mormons" did not come to America. Their sect
> was American
> | > > in its origins. The history of their emigrations
> under
> persecution
> | > > gives the lie to our vaunted "freedom of religion."
> | > > Bryant Smith
> | > > Playa Palo Seco
> | > > Costa Rica
> | > > (still a U.S. citizen!)
> | >
> | > This is off topic, of course, but many, many Mormons
> converted by
> | > missionaries sent abroad have emigrated to the United
> States. In the
> 19th
> | > century many of these Mormon immigrants were from
> Scandinavia, which
> is why
> | > Scandinavian names are so common among Mormons.
> | >
> | > And the Puritans were not in the least interested in
> religious
> freedom. They
> | > came to New England so that they could have an
> established religion
> of their
> | > liking. Disagreeing with that established orthodoxy
> was not exactly
> | > encouraged. Just ask Roger Williams and Anne
> Hutchinson. My 8th
> great
> | > grandfather, the Rev. William Screven, got booted out
> of Maine with
> his
> | > congregation in 1682 for trying to organize a Baptist
> congregation.
> He moved
> | > to South Carolina, where most sects were tolerated,
> even after the
> Anglican
> | > church was later officially established there.
> | >
> | > If anyone knows his English origins (we know only
> that he was born
> in
> | > Somerton, Somersetshire, 1629), do please let me
> know.
> | >
> | > JSG
>
>


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