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From: (Nathaniel Taylor)
Subject: Re: Eleanor de Verdun, and her daughter, Maud, wife of John de Grey, of Wilton
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:14:37 -0500
References: <5cf47a19.0201151600.4392e754@posting.google.com>, <5cf47a19.0201160708.13588be2@posting.google.com>


In article <>,
(Douglas Richardson) wrote:

>Since making my post on Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun yesterday, I've
>checked my files and found further confirmation which I believe
>conclusively proves that Eleanor was the daughter of Humphrey de Bohun
>(died 1275), Earl of Hereford and Essex. The evidence consists of two
>separate cases of consanguinity among descendants of Eleanor (de
>Bohun) de Verdun where they intermarried with their Bohun related
>kinfolk.

<snip>

>In the second instance, my notes record there was a papal inquiry in
>1334 regarding the marriage of Margaret Basset and John de Bohun, Earl
>of Hereford and Essex. Margaret Basset was a great-granddaughter of
>Eleanor (de Bohun) de Verdun. Margaret and her husband, John, were
>closely related, but my notes don't tell how closely related the two
>parties were, if the degree of kinship was stated. To resolve the
>question of kinship, the Pope summoned a host of relatives of the
>young couple. Among those summoned were several of Margaret Basset's
>Grey relatives as well as Alice de Tony, widow of Walter de Beauchamp,
>and her daughter and son-in-law, Margaret and Robert de Lisle. The
>people required to give testimony presumably all had a tie to the
>Bohun family. If nothing else, this document provides added evidence
>that the Greys, Tonys, Beauchamps and Lisles all share a common
>descent from the Bohun family.


Doug,

I find this description very interesting (for procedural as much as for
genealogical reasons). Can you cite the primary source(s) for this
particular case (or are all the sources cited in CP)? I'd like to examine
the original closely. Is the hearing discussed, and the parties named,
in the dispensation bull itself, or in some other narrative source
(episcopal letter, e.g.)?

Thanks.

Nat Taylor

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