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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: RE: Solution to the identity of Iseult. wife of Hugh de Audley
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:48:12 -0000


Peter Sutton wrote:
> However, irrespective of any relationship with the 5th Earl of Derby
through
> the Mortimer family Sir James de Audley KG is related to William de
Ferrers,
> 5th Earl of Derby via the Audley family to a common ancestor, Sir Hugh de
> Cyveilog, 5th Earl of Chester. Sir James's descent being:
>
> Sir Hugh de Cyveilog, 5th Earl of Chester & unknown mother
> / Amice of Chester
> / Bertrade de Mainwaring
> / Sir James de Audley
> / Hugh de Audley
> / Sir James de Audley
> / Sir James de Audley KG.
>
> William de Ferrers descent being:
>
> Sir Hugh de Cyveilog, 5th Earl of Chester & Bertrade de Montfort
> / Agnes = William de Ferrers 4th Earl of Derby
> / William de Ferrers 5th Earl.
>
> I believe that this provides, at least one possibility for a common link
> between John de Willoughby, Ralph de Ferrers, and Sir James KG.


There is (probably) a slightly closer known relationship than this between
Sir James Audley and Sir Ralph de Ferrers.

According to Complete Peerage (vol.3, p.275), the paternal grandmother of
James Audley's mother, Eve de Clavering, was one Margery de la Zouche.
Margery's parents are not identified there, but chronologically it seems
possible that she was a daughter of the Sir Alan la Zouche who married
Ellen, the daughter of Roger de Quency. Another of Roger de Quency's
daughters, Margaret, married William de Ferrers, and was an ancestress of
Sir Ralph de Ferrers.

That would provide a common ancestor for Sir James and Sir Ralph which I
think is one generation earlier than the one proposed by Douglas Richardson,
and one generation later than the one outlined above. But it would not
provide a blood relationship between Sir James and John de Willoughby, as he
was a descendant of William de Ferrers' other wife, Sybil.

Chris Phillips


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