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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: Re: Solution to the identity of Iseult. wife of Hugh de Audley
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:37:47 -0000



I wrote:
> The Aylesford connection is interesting, because that was among the
> possessions of the Greys of Codnor. These Greys were cousins of John de
> Willoughby, being like him descendants of Sir Reynold de Mohun.

Actually, there's something rather puzzling about John de Willoughby's
descent from Sir Reynold de Mohun. John's paternal grandmother's parents
were Edmund Deincourt and Isabel. Complete Peerage, vol.4, p.120, identifies
Isabel as the daughter of Sir Reynold de Mohun by his second wife, Isabel,
daughter of William (de Ferrers), Earl of Derby, citing "Extracts, by St
George, from the Mohun Cartulary, f.37v".

On the other hand, the table of the representatives of Sibyl, first wife of
William de Ferrers, on p.199, indicates that Isabel's issue failed in 1324.
This was the date of the death without issue of Nicholas de Carru, a great
grandson of Sir Reynold and Isabel.

If the latter statement is correct, then Isabel the wife of Edmund Deincourt
must have been a daughter of Sir Reynold de Mohun by his first wife (like
Lucy, the wife of Sir John de Grey of Codnor), and John de Willoughby's
descent from William de Ferrers is lost.

I haven't checked vol.14 for a correction to either statement.

Chris Phillips




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