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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: A Hugh de Grandmesnil
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 04:33:56 -0000
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CP makes it quite clear.

He was so styled in retrospect ---- which is fair enough.

CP makes him 1st Earl of Leicester.

No fear of axes.

Deus Vult.

"One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no
ordinary man could be such a fool."

George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair) [1903-1950] ---- _Notes on
Nationalism_, May, 1945

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"Jay" <> wrote in message
news:...
| "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message
news:<acQk8.1926$>...
| > With two Companions of the Conqueror [COC] here you get a
complimentary
| > egg roll.
| >
| > Robert de Beaumont, later 1st Earl of Leicester, is also a Companion
of
| > the Conqueror, according to William of Poitiers and CP
[XII(1):Appendix
| > L]
| >
| > Indeed, Robert de Beaumont is the first COC listed ---- a singular
| > honour indeed. He seems to have been only about 17-20 at the Battle
of
| > Hastings. How'd you like to experience that day with your ancestor?
| >
| > Just hop into your Time Machine with Guy Pearce and off you go.
| >
| > This first Earl of Leicester is reportedly the Grandfather of Robert
de
| > Beaumont, the 3rd Earl of Leicester ---- who married Petronille
| > ["Pernel"] de Grandmesnil, circa 1155.
| >
|
| It would be an interesting time travel experiment until some guy swung
| an axe at you. One question for the group. Was the above Robert de
| Beaumont really the 1st Earl of Leicester or did that honor really
| belong to his son? I have read that he held the title the Count of
| Meula, but became possessed the towns of fiefs of Leicester by charter
| from Ivo de Grandmesnil. Was posession of that charter enough to make
| him the Earl of Leicester de jure, or was he merely styled that in
| retrospect because of his de facto possession of the rights and
| privileges of the Earldom. I don't have the answer so I look to the
| skilled medieval scholars that inhabit this group.


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