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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: Plantagenet Descents from Ancient Judea
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:32:52 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <d4f8c75b.0203190014.481937be@posting.google.com>


You know, it seems to me that some of you take the need for
documentation to an extreme. Granted, when one is ready to
officially publish the results of their research, the
documentation is crucially important. But one does not get
to theory without hypothesis and one does not get to
hypothesis without brainstorming and creativity. The idea
must occur to someone before it can be researched; then,
after sufficient testing, it either stands or it doesn't. I
think we should encourage creative thinking with the caveat
that it is part of an early step in the process of doing
genealogy (or any other pursuit based on the principles of
scientific inquiry). Loosen up. Best, Bronwen




--- A Tsar Is Born <> wrote:
> (Shawn Potter) wrote in message
> news:<>...
> > While reading "The Stones Cry Out," by Randall Price,
> which describes
> > archaeological discoveries that support the historicity
> of the Hebrew
> > Scriptures, I thought how interesting it would be to
> discover ancient
> > Judeans among Plantagenet forebears. ... But, are
> there
> > any other credible Plantagenet ancestral lines that
> might connect to
> > ancient Judea?
>
> The simple answer is: No.
>
> > Some have pointed out that religious prohibitions
> against interfaith
> > marriage may have prevented such connections. On the
> other hand, Don
> > Stone points out that new dynasties acquire legitimacy
> by marrying
> > descendants of old dynasties, forging links that may be
> forgotten in
> > time as attention turns from the old to the new. I
> wonder if this
> > factor might open the possibility of a Plantagenet
> connection to
> > ancient Judea?
>
> Only if they were claiming Judaea. As they regarded Jesus
> as its King,
> they made no such claim, and marriage into the dynasty
> would have
> served no earthly (sic) purpose for them. The Judaean
> dynasty had no
> claim to the part of the world where the Plantagenets
> lived.
>
> We know who the Angevins of the Crusading period married.
> None of them
> would ever have considered marrying a non-Christian.
>
> > For example, is it possible that such a connection
> exists among
> > pre-Christian Hungarian rulers? Some have posted notes
> to this
> > newsgroup about the idea that Zoltan (b. c. 896 and d.
> c. 947) married
> > a woman from Khazaria's aristocracy. If Khazaria's
> aristocracy, which
> > originated in Siberia, converted to Judaeism one
> hundred or more years
> > before Zoltan's marriage (scholars disagree about when
> Khazaria's
> > aristocracy converted to Judaeism) and sought during
> that time to
> > forge marriage alliances with prominent Middle Eastern
> Jewish
> > families, then Zoltan's wife easily might have
> descended from ancient
> > Judea--and even from the House of David.
>
> That's a mountain of surmise and coincidence you're
> erecting on a
> molehill of fact. Yes, all this is possible but none of
> it is remotely
> likely. There was little or no contact between Khazaria
> and the actual
> Jews, and few of the Khazars converted.
>
> If your grandmother had had wheels, she'd have been a
> trolleycar. That
> is far more likely to have been true than that a
> Plantagenet married a
> Jewish dynast.
>
> Jean Coeur de Lapin
>
>


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