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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: Plantagenet Descents from Ancient Judea
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:33:08 -0800 (PST)
This may have no bearing on your meaning, but an Arab
friend whose surname happened to be "Malik" told me many
years ago that it not only means "king" but also "tall"
and, further, that there is a folk belief (my wording, not
his since he believed this himself) that leadership and
physical height are related, that kings are actually
demonstrably taller than other men. He happened to be quite
tall himself. Maybe the word is used on occasion just to
denote the physical characteristic? Best, Bronwen Edwards
--- Shawn Potter <> wrote:
> (Shawn Potter) wrote in message
> > By the way, can anyone comment on the origin of the
> name of St.
> > Vladimir's maternal grandfather, Malk of Lubech? MLK
> is the Hebrew
> > trigraph (root) that means "king." Is this mere
> The Etymological Dictionary of the Russian Language [Max
> "Etimologicheskiy Slovar' Russkogo Yazyka," (Moskva:
> Progress, 1986;
> originally published in Heidelberg, 1950-1958), vol. ii,
> p. 595]
> provides the following information: melik = Caucasus
> mountains prince;
> found among Russian nobility; source of the family name
> from Turkish, Old Uzbek, and Uguric "malik," meaning
> "king or prince,"
> stemming from Arabic.
> I suspect that the name of St. Vladimir's maternal
> grandfather, Malk
> of Lubech, stems from this word/name--no other word in
> etymological dictionary appears to be a likely source of
> this name.
> And, in light of recent discoveries about the expanse and
> dominance of
> Khazaria throughout and to the North and East of the
> Caucasus during
> this period, as well as recent discoveries about Khazar
> use of the
> Hebrew language, I would ammend Vasmer's definition to
> state that
> "malik" probably stems from the Hebrew word for "king or
> rather than from the Arabic word for "king or prince."
> Even though
> both Hebrew and Arabic contain this word, a nobleman in
> Lubech named
> "Malk" or "Melik" or "Malik" in the 800s, surely would
> have received
> his name as a result of influence by Khazaria rather than
> Shawn Potter
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