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From: Kay Allen AG <>
Subject: Re: Complete Peerage Correction: Elizabeth Stafford,wife of JohnTuchet, Knt.
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:07:48 -0800
My comments interspersed.
leo van de pas wrote:
> John Steele Gordon wrote :
> > John Tuchet, Lord Audley = Elizabeth Stafford
> > Elizabeth Tuchet = John Baskerville
> > Sir James Baskerville = --------- Devereux
> > Sir Walter Baskerville = Elizabeth Parry
> > Thomas Baskerville = Maud ferch Richard Hir
> > Walter Baskerville = Jane Mornington
> > Walter Baskerville = Mary [or Frances] Gage
> > Walter Baskerville = Judith Vaughan
> > Catherine Baskerville = Charles Somerset
> > Maria Johanna Somerset
> > JSG
> By comparing sources all kinds of discrepancies appear.
> For instance, Gerald Paget makes Elizabeth Touchet a daughter of the 6th
> Lord Audley, placing her two generations lower, but chronologically that
> seems wrong.,
As you know, Leo, I am not a great fan of Paget's.
> as Walter Baskerville is recorded as having been born before
> 1459 (See Paget Ancestors and Relatives of Prince Charles, P57741).
I show Sir Walter born about 1462.
The Devereux are messy and need to have more work done on them then really has
> say his father was about 15 when he was born, being then born before 1444
> that would make John Touchet, 6th Lord Audley, a grandfather when aged about
> 24. However, Paget, under Q115482, gives the first name of NN Devereux, he
> calls her Sybil Devereux, daughter of Walter Devereux of Bodenham, by
> Elizabeth, daughter of John Merbury, Justice of South Wales.
I have Walter's father, James, born about 1436. James' father, John, was born,
I show, in 1408, but this may have been a typo in my source. Elizabeth
Touchet's father was b. 1371 and d. 1408, so Elizabeth would have been an
infant at his death. So this chronology works.
> Now comes another contradiction, Burke's Landed Gentry, 1937, Page 111
> covers the Baskerville family. Here NN Devereux is called Katherine daughter
> of Walter Devereux, Lord Ferrers of Chartley, lineally descended from Edward
Unfortunately, another source, I abhore. I am more inclined to show James'
wife as Sibylla dtr. of Sir Walter and Elizabeth Merbury.
> This article shows no light on John Touchet, 4th or 6th Lord Audley, as
> Elizabeth is only mentioned as daughter of John Touchet, Lord Audley.
> However, the dates for Elizabeth's husband seem to confirm the link with the
> 4th Lord as Sir John Baskerville was born 12 February 1403 and died 23
> December 1455 and his brother-in-law, James, 5th Lord Audley, was born circa
> This article throws up another question. John Steele Gordon gives Elizabeth
> Parry as wife of Sir Walter Baskerville,
> Kay Allen points out it could be Elsbeth ferch Morgan.
> Burke's landed Gentry gives two wives for Sir Walter,
> Anne daughter of Morgan ap Jenkin ap Philip, of Pencoyd,
> and second wife Elizabeth daughter of Henry ap Milo ap Harry of Poston.
Let's leave Burke alone on this and just leave it that it is currently under
> Sadly, Sir Walter's son Thomas (by the first wife) is only recorded as
> Thomas, of Pontrilas, without any further details.
Even Rev. Robinson contradicts himself on which wife was Thomas' mother. This
is still up for grabs.
> Can anyone throw any further light on these discrepancies?
I hope this helps some. I have ordered wills that I hope will shed more light
on the accuracy
and timing of this pedigree.
Kay Allen AG
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
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